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ORIGINAL: U2
Just please make sure to offer DVD cases with a nice printed cover for the non-retail games since I want them in my collection. I do not want to download and burn....I want a collection darn it![:D]

For now all you will be getting is a CD with our CD On Demand option. Come sometime in August we will be changing that so that CD On Demand orders will ship with a DVD Movie case and CD for the same price. The price of $9.99 does include shipping.

David

Real shame on the no boxed sets...really just because of the manual. I was so impressed by the HttR manual. Small print, yes, but great content, plenty of it, etc etc. This is so rare now. Using .pdf files or going off to track down a printer to run off (at $$$) a copy is depressing. Put me off the strategy guide.

Realise you are doing for the valid reason of net income (just like everyone else). But for the punter, a shame nonetheless.

The new game will therefore be $60 plus printing, vs $45 (manual included). Rats, curses, #@%.

Bottom line is no doubt that you have to do this to stay in business. Which I need you to do!!!

Is there any way you could make hard copy manuals available to buy?

ORIGINAL: David Heath

We want to make the game available to everoyne. One of the main reasons for our store changes was to make our products easy for our customers overseas. Remember you can order our product from our international number if you are on a modem or can get a download. All of our digital downloads have a CD On Demand which allows you to order a CD of the game shipped to your home or office. In fact you can order the digital download and start playing now and order the CD On Demand as a backup that comes in the mail later.

P.S. This option is available to all of our customers not just our ones overseas.

David

Unless I misunderstood you, that's not the download that's bothering me, but the means of payment.

I fully understand that this is the only option you have at the time, economically speaking, but I'm afraid this has the potential of cutting you from a large number of potential customers. Of course, I may be completly mistaken [:D]

Or is there the following option (what we call here "contre-remboursement") : I pay the game at the time I receive the shipping, with an additional fee ? This would make the game more expensive for me, of course, but that's option I'd be willing to use.

Regards.

ORIGINAL: U2

ORIGINAL: David Heath

ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager

Is Matrix out of the buisness of selling boxed copies online through their own e-store?

No Matrix is not 100% out of retail at all. We will only be offering a very limited games we feel have a more general user feel. We want to try to get new blood into wargaming and to a newbie games like UV, or HTTR maybe to hard for them. The game are easy to get into once to you read the tutorials but we all know how few of us does that. Our next retail release will be Gary Grigsby's World At War.

David

Just please make sure to offer DVD cases with a nice printed cover for the non-retail games since I want them in my collection. I do not want to download and burn....I want a collection darn it![:D]

Don´t worry, the Art Director here in this company allready convinced the "suits" that a DVD box (on demand) is a must for us collectors. I´m a collector too [;)][:D], and heck I dont want to spend all that time on the box covers just for that tiny .gifs you see in the e-store [:'(]

ORIGINAL: David Heath

2. the game will be $59.99

Sorry to sound a sour note but $60 is far too expensive for what was, until recently, a expansion and still looks little more than a scenario pack.

I'd like to say I'll skip it, but I know myself better than that. However, especially as the setting will have nothing like the appeal to new customers of the promised future BotB game I think you are relying too much (I'm afraid "exploiting" is really the word I'm looking for) on the loyalty of the existing fanbase.

Maybe there is more in this than "expansion" but I see nothing to justify "premium".

ORIGINAL: Hertston

ORIGINAL: David Heath

2. the game will be $59.99

Sorry to sound a sour note but $60 is far too expensive for what was, until recently, a expansion and still looks little more than a scenario pack.

I'd like to say I'll skip it, but I know myself better than that. However, especially as the setting will have nothing like the appeal to new customers of the promised future BotB game I think you are relying too much (I'm afraid "exploiting" is really the word I'm looking for) on the loyalty of the existing fanbase.

Maybe there is more in this than "expansion" but I see nothing to justify "premium".

The game looks to be just as big as HttR
And they explained the $10 price increase
We cant see Panther and Matrix Games balence sheet so we will just have to take their word for it that they in fact need to increase the price of their games to keep in buisness

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck


Don´t worry, the Art Director here in this company allready convinced the "suits" that a DVD box (on demand) is a must for us collectors. I´m a collector too [;)][:D], and heck I dont want to spend all that time on the box covers just for that tiny .gifs you see in the e-store [:'(]

Marc,

Thank you, thank you very much [:)]

ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager

The game looks to be just as big as HttR
And they explained the $10 price increase
We cant see Panther and Matrix Games balence sheet so we will just have to take their word for it that they in fact need to increase the price of their games to keep in buisness

I don't know... maybe it's just the spectre of an HPS type set-up where there are scenarios within a game-series (Panzer Campaigns, Squad Battles) I would like, but I'm buggered if I'm going to pay full price again for what ARE no more than scenario packs. I have no problems with "new" games (Combat Leader will be priced at $60 too, I think) at that price.

As I said, I'll still be buying it. I'll be praising everybody at Matrix and Panther if it's worth the money, and moaning at them if it isn't - same as everybody else. [:D]

ORIGINAL: Hertston

ORIGINAL: Fallschirmjager

The game looks to be just as big as HttR
And they explained the $10 price increase
We cant see Panther and Matrix Games balence sheet so we will just have to take their word for it that they in fact need to increase the price of their games to keep in buisness

I don't know... maybe it's just the spectre of an HPS type set-up where there are scenarios within a game-series (Panzer Campaigns, Squad Battles) I would like, but I'm buggered if I'm going to pay full price again for what ARE no more than scenario packs. I have no problems with "new" games (Combat Leader will be priced at $60 too, I think) at that price.

As I said, I'll still be buying it. I'll be praising everybody at Matrix and Panther if it's worth the money, and moaning at them if it isn't - same as everybody else. [:D]

Well thats fair

Look at HttR it wasnt radicaly different from RDOA
Slightly update graphics, lots of new maps, some new features
COA will have...
slightly updated graphics, lots of new maps, some new features

Look fair to me

In fact COA will include a very big new feature and HTTR didn't respect to RDOA

EDIT:

COA won't be only an "scenario pack" including new scenrios for the Market-Garden operation...

As said it will include at least one MAJOR feature, with many more tweaks and additions apart. And a totally new game based on a diferent time period and different campaing, with different units and weapons fought over different ground (if the making of Greece, Creta and Malta is not enough new ground, what do you want the full eastern front?)

Sincerly, don't want to sound fanboyish but I don't know what more do you want, as it is the policy many times stated by Panther Games:
-One major feature per game (Campaing Mode if done correctly can be a very good and popular feature for the inmersion factor).
-Based on a new battle/operation in a different ground.
-Many tweaks and additions.

If you check RDOA and then play HTTR you will note the diferences between both in an huge amount of smnall changes, which makes playing both games, if not totally different, at least a different experience and fighting. Wargames are not FPS, where primary the only changes between each gme is the graphic engine and only with that you make a lot of difference, adding and changing radically a game system within wargames is not possible. Just check ANY wargame series (you yourself said HPS), the changes go slow at strategical and operational wargames.

Regards.

ORIGINAL: Hertston
I'll be praising everybody at Matrix and Panther if it's worth the money, and moaning at them if it isn't - same as everybody else. [:D]

Can't ask fairer than that.

IMO the campaign feature in COTA will be worth the price of admission alone. [:)]

Well I grouched about HTTR vis-a-vis RDOA and I was proved wrong. Won't stop me grouching again though[:D].

IMO the campaign feature in COTA will be worth the price of admission alone.

I've said this elsewhere, the 'campaign option' is not one that particularly interests me so I'll be looking for more before I'll consider purchasing COTA. Saying that I think it's a brave decision to release a game dealing with a relatively obscure campaign and I applaud Panther (and Matrix) for taking that route. I hope it is a success.

I dont have a problem with the price increase, heck 10 Bucks is not that much, whear I live it would cost me that much to just drive to the store in gas, not to mention the time wasted away from PC to do so, if I can dowload the game and have the back up disk come in the mail I very happy with that.

ORIGINAL: Arjuna
IMO the campaign feature in COTA will be worth the price of admission alone. [:)]

When can we get some details on how the campaign works?
I never felt that the game needed a campaign so I never was that too terribly interested in one. But once I learn the details I may change my mind.

Cost has never been an issue for me - and I sure am not rich - I still remember in the '64 days when games like Carrier Force, War in the South Pacific, Fighter Command, ect.. where 69 to 79 dollars... If I wanted them bad enough, I'd mow more lawns and save up for 'em and but 'em...

Matix is going to charge as much as they can for these games so that everyone gets a good salary and wants to keep designing games for me to play ( I have UV, HTTR, KP, and CotD ).

Like I said - if I want these games and they're good enough, I'll pay for them - I may not buy WITP, Battle for Normandy, and now the Agean game as soon as they come out ( may wait a month or so ) but I'll get 'em because Matrix continues to put out superior products.

Anyway, my two cents worth...

Dave... How about that supply model for CotA? Will it be the same as HttR or will it be close to what was stated for BftB?

It is not cost but time required that is hardest to complete game. I plan in the next months to get WITP, which will take a lot of time to play. What is projected release date for Agean?

Slightly stupid question perhaps, but which currency is that $60 figure being quoted in? Aus$, US$ or even [X(]) C$?? I hope it's Aus$ because HTTR was nothing like C$100, which is what $60US will end up being rather near.

$US

too expensive for me. i won't be buying it.

too bad, too, as HTTR is one of the best games I have ever played.

I guess you will find out if Matrix knows what it is doing charging the bejesus out of its customers.