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ORIGINAL: general billy

now just say the US was being invaded by the nearly the whole world and there was no hope in winning, i have a strong feeling that the US would use again Nukes just to survive, look at afganistan, they were using daisy cutter which are like miniture nukes, on guys that was using 1950's weopons [:-]

I would agree with you that the US would use nukes in case of invasion. I don't agree with the daisy chains. I do ask what this has to do with ending the Second World War? It appears (and I could be wrong) that you are more interested in everyone having a balanced playing field. The moral of the story is don't get a much bigger power to go to war with you. Just out of curiosity, how many soldiers have to die before these weapons become acceptable? I think that might be your point.

But I ask again, what does this have to do with ending the Second World War?

ORIGINAL: Arnir

Slap me silly for commenting in a thread that I know I shouldn't. <G>

Yeah, I know, me too. [:)]

the 1 million casualty figure has to be taken with a grain of salt.

That was my point in bringing up the comparison to the relatively light losses in August Storm.
[:)]

ORIGINAL: Becket

ORIGINAL: Arnir

Slap me silly for commenting in a thread that I know I shouldn't. <G>

Yeah, I know, me too. [:)]

the 1 million casualty figure has to be taken with a grain of salt.

That was my point in bringing up the comparison to the relatively light losses in August Storm.
[:)]

I agree with you on everything, I think. <G> I can't keep the different tangents straight.

Okay, free slappings for everyone! [:D]

I know i should stop also...this has nothing to do with the game so this is my last on this subject.....but i have to say that daisy cutter's were not designed to be anti personnel devices..they were made to explode land mines...which afganistan has a couple from what i hear...i do believe that it was talked able dropping them at the openings of caves to suck the air out but i didn't think that they acually did that. either way....dead is dead....whether someone is shot with a .22 or hit with a daisy cutter ...they don't get anymore dead

Is there anyway to stop the US from making the A-Bomb in Witp?

Do you mean as the Japanese or taking it out of the game altogether?

For the first, the only way I know of is to win the game before the bombs are generated sometime in '45.
For the latter, I would imagine that using the database editor one could take out the US BG that carries the bomb. There is only one unit that can do that in the game.

i don't think so...but the allies are penalized for using more that 2 from what i understand

ORIGINAL: general billy

Is there anyway to stop the US from making the A-Bomb in Witp?

Make a new scenario using Save As and set Device Atomic Bomb to Build Rate 0 for your scenario. No Abombs. The mission will still show but be useless. The Bomb Group will just be a normal bomb group.

ORIGINAL: general billy

By the way, did the US warn the japs that they were going to nuke a few of their cities if they didnt stop the war??

they did!!! i think the saying was...

..."surrender now, or face utter defeat!" the japananse gave no reply so they 'nuked' them...i could be wrong though, if someone knows the actual speech, please tell us!!

I didnt mean edit the game, i mean like cut of the supplies to the US to stop it being developed, I mean WitP is a long game, i dont think I will ever see the a-bomb, is there a special animation to go with it, like HOI

As far as I know, all the supplies needed could be found in North America so cutting the supply lines would not be possible. (I could be wrong, I'm not sure where the uranium came from).

I don't know about the animations.

>they did!!! i think the saying was...
>..."surrender now, or face utter defeat!" the japananse gave no reply so they 'nuked' >them...i could be wrong though, if someone knows the actual speech, please tell us!!
< Message edited by andytimtim -- 7/16/2004 7:46:54 PM >


On July 26, the Allied leaders issued their Potsdam Declaration: Japan must surrender or face "utter and complete destruction."
Naturally Japan ignored the ultimatum.....

Kellyc

If you want to kill off the A-Bomb, just go into the Scenario Editor and toggle it off. No need to use the Database Editor and mess with it.

political debate is healthy in a democracy

take it to mad cow's, chump [:@]

ORIGINAL: Jack Shelak

Japan did have an atomic bomb program, how far they got no one knows:

http://vikingphoenix.com/public/JapanIn ... -abomb.htm

What I find interesting is that although Germany had deadly nerve gases (e.g. Sarin) and Japan had biological wepons, only the U.S. used weapons of mass destruction. Just an observation, call off the home guard!!

Churchhill wanted to use chemical weapons (mustard gas?) but was advised by his military experts that it was an inefficient way to bomb because it would just kill some people but not destroy idustry. Plus, Germans would have just had their workers put on gas masks during air raids and it would have been useless.

I'm sure the Germans came to the same conclusion. Certainly morality never figured in any of their decisions.

BTW, Japan did use bio-weapons against both Koreans and Chinese IIRC.

And one could argue that concentration camps and gulags were weapons of mass destruction of sorts.

ORIGINAL: andytimtim

ORIGINAL: general billy

By the way, did the US warn the japs that they were going to nuke a few of their cities if they didnt stop the war??

they did!!! i think the saying was...

..."surrender now, or face utter defeat!" the japananse gave no reply so they 'nuked' them...i could be wrong though, if someone knows the actual speech, please tell us!!

We gave a vague warning of a massive weapon without any particulars.

I saw a documentary that went into great detail on the complexity of how, where and why we used the nukes.

We couldn't pre-warn where we were going to drop it because we were affraid it might not work. We were concerned that would have backfired.

We couldn't use it on naval targets because it would have been impossible to tell how much damage it had caused, plus, they hardly had any targets left. [:D]

Part of the rational was as a warning to the Soviets who were gobbling up territory in leaps and bounds. When they saw us drop a second one, they had to assume we had more. Little did they know we had just used up the last of our fissionable material for quite some time!

ORIGINAL: Jack Shelak



What I find interesting is that although Germany had deadly nerve gases (e.g. Sarin) and Japan had biological wepons, only the U.S. used weapons of mass destruction. Just an observation, call off the home guard!!

Thats a strange statement since Japan did use bio-weapons on a few cities in China.

ORIGINAL: UndercoverNotChickenSalad

political debate is healthy in a democracy

take it to mad cow's, chump [:@]

Gee I guess I should just agree with everything you say, and never talk about anything meaningfull anywhere, well:

Damn Nazis are everywhere, but you are history in November...

I would assume and hope that the mods will deal with this childishness soon?

ORIGINAL: Sultanofsham

ORIGINAL: Jack Shelak



What I find interesting is that although Germany had deadly nerve gases (e.g. Sarin) and Japan had biological wepons, only the U.S. used weapons of mass destruction. Just an observation, call off the home guard!!

Thats a strange statement since Japan did use bio-weapons on a few cities in China.

"Ignorance is Bliss".