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"an underdeveloped, resource-difficient, largely uneducated society that had been artificially created and forcibly kept together. It is split ethnically and historically."

Actually, that DOES describe pre-modern Germany with the exception of being "largely uneducated"...

BossGnome
In the 1980s Canadian did not want to deal with Sikh terrorist because they were attacking India which was not part of the British (empire) commonwealth. The Air India attack was the result(400 people dead). Al quaeda has used Canada as a staging based in its planned millenium attack on USA. By the way Russia shipped oil and other supply to Germany prior to The German invasion in 1941 even though the USSR was warned of the attack Stalin though trading with Germany would protect it.

A better argument is should our defense budget should have been spent on other items instead of used diesel subs. They could not be even used for arctic sovereignty.

Hello guys,
May be some of you were submariners and could explain me some stuff about HMCS Chicoutimi fire.
So it was major fire. Weren’t they supposed to seal bulkheads, put on gas masks and put the fire out at the same time shut down ventilation system to prevent the access of oxygen to the compartment? Then how come they expended all portable fire extinguishers?

How did they get smoke inhalation injuries if they were wearing gas masks (if they were of course?). As I remember from first aid course with smoke inhalation injured either dies instantly either some time later due to the burns to trachea and lungs by high temperature air. If there are no burns usually oxygen bottle helps to recover injured to stable condition. So why did it take them 24 hours to call the airlift?

I have bad feeling that some fatass from Ottawa just tried to downplay the scale of accident for some time and than just pretend that nothing happened.

Here is the quote:
"A few of the 57 crew members aboard HMCS Chicoutimi suffered some smoke inhalation, said Canadian navy spokesman Mike Bonin. But otherwise there were no injuries.

"Everybody on board is safe," Bonin said. "There was a small fire on board. It was quickly put out. The sub has surfaced and is awaiting a tug to take it to somewhere along the European coast."
"It's probably going to get a little cold, but they have sufficient blankets and other means to keep warm," he said."

Doesn’t sound like two sailors received terminal injuries, does it? Blankets for crying out loud!

Canada has tons of money, politicians just spend it on crap like bilingualism, culture, beauracracy etc. Hell, we could have funded a manned shot to Mars if we had not blown it on bilingualism.

I don't kow about Canadian ship board firefighting, but I do know about USN firfighting. The Smoke inhalation was probably from the people in the compartment where the fire occured. they probably tried to put out the fire first. Depending on where the fire occured using all of the onboard fire extinguishers was probabl in a effort to save electronic eqipment. Saltwater wich is used on vessels at sea is very bad for wiring. Also since they had just done some re-fitting in GB they may not have had fully functioning fire fighting equipment onboard, or a full crew. Sealing a compartment only goes so far. If it was an electrical fire or a fire in a machinery space just denying the fire oxygen is not always enough. Combine this with many of the exotic metals used to make lightweight but strong parts such as magnesium, they do not need oxygen, they make there own. There ar emany reasons why this coudl have happened as it did.

As for the Fatcat making a CYA statement, well that woudln't be the first. Just look at teh last sub disaster, Kursk.

UB