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ORIGINAL: wodin

Yes 12 O clock high and BoB got to bogged down. Such a shame as there is a good game underneath.

I agree.

BoB wasn't as long.

But 12 O' Clock High was made too long. I love everything in the game. It was so well done. If only a patch could have been issued which increased the turns so that one turn = 2 weeks or more. Pity.

I have to throw in my 2 cents worth here. War in the East by SPI was mentioned by the Powers-that-be and in its board form was completely unplayable. It was inmpressive as could be but it was just unmanagable. However... Decision Games released the computerized version of War in Europe( both War in the West and The war in the East) and it was very playable. The only problem is that it did not have any sort of AI. I played this for several years(still have it) as PBEM and had a lot of fun. War in the East/West/Europe had some very abstracted parts (Air/Sea) which was rather annoying and I have been wishing for another War in the East game for some time and if WitP is any indicator then WitE should be great. Some of us grogs just love these monster games and are willing to pay for them(within reason). 80 bucks for WitP was a bargain in my book and 150 dollars for a East front game of the same detail would be a bargain as well.

I would venture to say that WitP sales have been sufficient enough to encourage Matrix Games to give WitEast a go rather that WitMed or WitWest. Even with all of the Nay-sayers a modern detail oriented game for the east front needs to be made and released.

My only question is where is the new War in Russia/East Front forum ????[:D]

Best 30 mins of wargaming for me is Squad Battles. Pace is perfect.

ORIGINAL: Stavka_lite

I have to throw in my 2 cents worth here. War in the East by SPI was mentioned by the Powers-that-be and in its board form was completely unplayable.

Says who? I have played this game in my wargaming club off and on for over twenty years. It is an excellent game system that puts potential players off due to its size, not its complexity or unplayability.

I would venture to say that WitP sales have been sufficient enough to encourage Matrix Games to give WitEast a go rather that WitMed or WitWest. Even with all of the Nay-sayers a modern detail oriented game for the east front needs to be made and released.

As is obvious from Matrix/2by3 posts on the subject, this game will most definitely not be developed using the WitP engine (and, I hope fortunately, not the GGWaW engine, either). I hope that it's a good game. I won't be buying it.

Says who? I have played this game in my wargaming club off and on for over twenty years. It is an excellent game system that puts potential players off due to its size, not its complexity or unplayability.

You hit the nail right on the head. I never really had the space to play this game properly and it set on my shelf for several years, along with War in the West, until the wife made me throw it out. The system works just fine but if you can't leave the game set up IMHO then it is unplayable. You just can't play this game in one sitting but with the Computerized version, even with all of its quirks, it can be played very easily. I still have the Computer version and the wife can't make me throw this one away as I can hide the disks

Occasionally, I think designers "make" some games, for the same questionable dumb reasons some of us guys buy the silly monstrosities hehe.

I knew it was a monster when I bought it, I knew my home had not expanded when I bought it, I was aware the day had not grown longer when I bought it.

Yet I bought it.

Why?

Because I wanted it.

The important thing though, was did I need it?

Go ahead though guys, 2by3 or Schwerpunct or HPS, it is not fully totally really relevant to this point made here.

Just because you CAN make the game, will not make us "need" the game.

Lots might actually buy the game.

But if you can't write up 5 after action reports the first month from your first 5 games you played, you don't win a cookie hehe.

Today I could sit down and play through 5 full games of Strategic Command (if I really wanted to and do nothing else with the day). And that says a lot.

You WON'T be able to make your nifty new all inclusive day one till end of the war war in the east wargame able to say that if you make it the regimental/divisional monster game of your dreams.

Sure it will "look" great. And I am sure it will have the same price tag all my other monster games wore. And as a simulation, I am sure it will be a testimony to accuracy and detail.

But it won't be the equal in playable that SC enjoys.

I like to buy games like the next guy. Nothing is more cool than "acquiring" a cool wargame.

But actually finishing one is a great magnitude more fun than just staring at the game on the shelf.

My buddy would likely sell me his defacto never used copy of Fire in the East for a song.
And with so brutally careful planning, and a lot of sacrifice, I might even be able to get it set up, sort of.

Chances of me actually playing though .... I have a better chance of curing hair loss

ORIGINAL: Keke

Well, there's the beer and pretzels -crowd, who want something in line with Third Reich, and then there are more serious grogs who want another Grigsby design...[;)]

Agreed. Which is why I will not be happy until 2by3 makes a game that incorporates the eventual East Front game with the new engine and throws in naval combat like WiTP but covers the whole war Atlantic and Pacific 1939-1945. Only other requirements would be 60 mile hexes, one week turns, and player controlled production/R&D.

The only caveat on the player controlled production/R&D would be some limiting factor so you cannot have a FW-190 only Luftwaffe or entire Mech Corps of JS-IIIs. Similarly I think they could use something similar to the political points of WiTP, perhaps influence points for 'un-historical' choices whether it be altering war entry, or drastically changing production/R&D priorities. This way there is some degree of freedom, the player is not completely forced down a pre-determined path, but alternate universe game-play like Hearts of Iron is not possible.

Granted such a game would probably only apeal to the real fanatics who play WiTP on one day turns. But I would be intrigued by such a game and would pay handsomely for it. Would be willing to pay up to $150.00 for such game (2xWiTP [:D]). Provided there was a long term comitment with regards to patching/tech support by the developer.

ORIGINAL: Stavka_lite
I never really had the space to play this game properly and it set on my shelf for several years, along with War in the West, until the wife made me throw it out. The system works just fine but if you can't leave the game set up IMHO then it is unplayable. You just can't play this game in one sitting but with the Computerized version, even with all of its quirks, it can be played very easily. I still have the Computer version and the wife can't make me throw this one away as I can hide the disks

Hehehe. Sounds like you've got a great home life. Our advantage (in addition to most of us being single) is that we have the back half of a strip mall game store. We have a whole bunch of utility tables we can set up to accommodate any size game we're interested in playing. Best of all, when it's time to go home, we just turn out the lights and lock the door on the way out. Woe be to he who would even think about disturbing anything before we get back to fire up the next turn.