"UNKNOWN" Arrival location

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pad152
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RE: "UNKNOWN" Arrival location

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When a base is under siege, no more reinforcements should be able to arrive.

And when is a base under siege? Can I park a MSW in someone's port or para drop some troops on a base to stop reinforcments?

I don't hear anyone complaining when new allied units get formed in the Philippines or Java (reinforcements) when they are already invaded (under siege[:(]) and in the process of being over run by the Japanese.

I think reinforcements should arrive up unitl the base is captured, I would hate to lose a base because my reinforcments didn't arrive.[:-]
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ORIGINAL: Beezle

Well, I guess they could extend the map further east. Say to London. Then after you lose London you can ask the map be extended further north. Maybe to Chester. Then to Portree, perhaps. If you lose Portree and Skye you can ask the programmers to include a secret unassailable base under a volcano.

Or you could take the position that, rather than have the programmers allow you to lose everything on the map and continue to fight unhampered, you need to defend something.

To me what this result really shows is that as many have complained, 1) the Japanese have FAR TOO MUCH shipping available in the game..., and 2) the game NEEDS more realistic garrison requirements.

I'm not sympathetic to Dave. He knew he was playing a "gamer" and didn't protect a critical point. Now is not the
time to be pleading any historical justifications. His opponant played "the game" and the game's errors, and Dave had
a responsibility either to do likewise, or find an opponant who will agree to some semblance of reality in spite of the
game's flaws.
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Hello...

True. So, true.

Thanks...

Michael Wood
ORIGINAL: Bodhi

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RE: "UNKNOWN" Arrival location

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Hehehe I actually reallly dont have a problem with this rule I view it as a requirement for enhanced garriosn requirements by the UK in ME and East Africa.

I have some (but not a lot) of sympathy for the status of US units but its what a few BF , 1 Inf RCT anmd about 6 Arm Bns well I easily just assume that those are required to back up Saudi,Iran, Ethiopia, basically an area that became a backwater post Stalingrad is now right on the front line again so is it unreasonable that a few US forces would support the remaining British and Indian and CW forces garrisoning the base.

Overall this just doesnt strike me a s a game breaker.

Air would be reconstituted in the ME and once Liberators are around I an sure would bomb india and raids and discontent would be stirred up by raiders (I think this is actually modelled by the requirement of the Japanese to heavily garrison Bombay and Karachi if they dont the Indian Army can resurrect itself)

Royal Navy ships would be under a great del of pressure from now on fighting oil convoys through to Australia and the UK.

I genuinely dont have a problem wth this rule

I have spome sympathy with the units arriving at an isolated base but not much you can do about it.

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RE: "UNKNOWN" Arrival location

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greetings....

I wonder how many players manage to conquer the India? Really would like to know if other than PzB can say this?

At the other hand, me as Japan player, manage to lose Rabaul early in the game (think it was a May '42) and there is no way i could re-capture this base. My Burma campaign is really disaster (won't posted details because i'm pretty ashamed[:D]). I'm certantly not top-player, but also not the worst one (hope so[;)])

But, just because i mess my game, i wont scream here that Allied players have to much material, ships, infatry (B-17 are another question, but not now...) which allow Allies to re-capture bases earlier then historical..

when you play WiTP, be aware that you play game "closest to the history simulation", but it is a game.

I will always support "historical game" rather than historical simulation.

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RE: "UNKNOWN" Arrival location

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ORIGINAL: PzB

It was pretty silly that the ca Hawkins arrived while I had a battlefleet bombarding Karachi, it went down faster then you can spell FUBAR!

I don't want to put fuel to the flames, because I think this is very far from being a game breaking issue, it is just a bit silly. I'm just curious how did it go down, did it happen durring next turn port bombardment or did it sail out and was sunk by carriers?

I ask because I was under siege at Soerebaja when CL Sumatra (I think it was Sumatra) was scheduled to arrive. It appeared in port, so I just made a TF with only her, and sailed her towards Australia. It is now at Sydney for repairs. All that time IJN bombardment and invasion force was in Soerebaja hex besieging! Battle never happened because engine only checks destination hex for enemy forces.
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ORIGINAL: Mike Wood

Hello...

True. So, true.

Thanks...

Michael Wood
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And that is too bad as you always had something to contribute. I just thought it was the hurricanes that took you back to real life.
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