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Gunny: The Malines used Naval Aviation Units for training and for any Airdrops they needed. [&o]Since the Marines are part of the US Navy, oh yes they are, they get their support from the Navy. [:-]Now they don't have to fire from the rigging anymore.[:D][:D][:D][:D]

ORIGINAL: chief

Gunny: The Malines used Naval Aviation Units for training and for any Airdrops they needed. [&o]Since the Marines are part of the US Navy, oh yes they are, they get their support from the Navy. [:-]Now they don't have to fire from the rigging anymore.[:D][:D][:D][:D]

Using your insistance that Marines are part of the Navy is akin to saying any civilian employed by the Department of the Navy are sailors also. The Marine Corps falls under the Department of the Navy and while afloat is sometimes commanded by Naval officers. No arguement there.

BUT the Marines are NOT part of the Navy. In fact they are a seperate service as you well know.

I guess everyone is really in No military service as they all fall under the Department of Defense. Just one big happy family.

ORIGINAL: FlashfyreSP

Well, I just started one. WWII Campaign, 1941, against China, and could buy transports and paratroops.

Lot of factors involved here...check them all. Sometimes one will be in effect when you start the campaign, but not later. Weather, # of air sections, visibility, mission, campaign date and location, etc. If it doesn't work once, try again.


Mission type is critical: you cannot perform air drops unless Advancing or Assaulting. The game will not provide transports for other mission types. And in the generated campaign (not the WWII one), no transports are allowed as core force units. This appears to be another of those coding issues.

So, is everybody clear on the availability of air transports for campaigns now?

I am not claiming you or anyone else doing a mod had anything to do with Core units not allowing Airtrans.

In 1940 ( not 1941) the Japanese can not have airtrans in their core units to my knowledge, I have restarted the campaign many times, I have gotten Advances and no Air trans in core force.

I did start one 1941 as japan and also had no air trans in core, but cant remember what the first mission was. This has been true before the enhanced mod came out and I FULLY understand it is a programming issue outside the control of any modder.

If you got them in core then it is simply random which in effect means pointless, unless one wants to restart the campaign over and over until they get lucky enough to get them.

Thanks for the info. I can be stubborn, so once I figure out cost and numbers and formations I will probably do just that, restart over and over till I get what I want.

Ok I finally got air trans as core forces in 40. I didnt have them with a visibility of 14 but did get them at a visibility of 16 ( and it was a delay mission at that).

So it would seem by this that the claim that any mission will allow them is true, but that visibilty of that firt mission must be 15 or 16 minimum ( had a mission with a visibility of 14 that didnt allow them it was an Advance)

So totally hit or miss depending on visibility it seems.

Told ya i am stubborn )

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

ORIGINAL: String


However, have you researched into Japanese paratroop ops in China? AFAIK they conducted a few there well before the pacific war started.

Well, don't keep us in suspense -- please educate us.

Oh, this guy is a WiTP fan -- I guess he just dropped in to stir up some sh*t.

Give us some data, man, or just go away. [:-]

Hey now, how did I deserve this? Besides, I've been playing SPWAW long before WitP came out.

My claim doesn't have any research to back it up (yet). I had heard that either in the 1st or 2nd (or both) battles of Changsha the japanese had used paratroops. I'll try looking into it.

edit: found a reference *here*, check september 27.

It's much later than I thought.

On a related note: There is little benefit to be gained from having air transports in a Core Force for a campaign. They perform equally as well, whether Core or Support. Experience gained does not affect their ability to drop units; "green" pilots will be as successful as "veteran" pilots in dropping their passengers accurately. This was confrmed by Mike Woods; the code does not consider transport experience when conducting drop accuracy checks.

Well yes, I dont expect any gain by having them. In fact in one sense they are a hinderance as you must pay for them and use up limited troop slots in your core force.

However the advantage is that since I plan to use them as a Battalion with non airborne Support I will always have the airtrans to move my companies.

Basicly I lose 36 units to aircraft and it costs me 642 points I cant use for other things. Also on those missions where I dont drop any Para I will have to either put them somewhere on the map ( unrealistic) or schedule them all empty for a drop at or near the end of the battle.

It takes 12 transport to move a Japanese Airborne Company. Such companies are lacking in anti tank and support weapons ( as are all para units across all countries). There are no gliders to carry heavier equipment and once I switch from China to Pacific the terrain wont be conducive to air drops.

Just something I wanna play with.

ORIGINAL: String

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

ORIGINAL: String


However, have you researched into Japanese paratroop ops in China? AFAIK they conducted a few there well before the pacific war started.

Well, don't keep us in suspense -- please educate us.

Oh, this guy is a WiTP fan -- I guess he just dropped in to stir up some sh*t.

Give us some data, man, or just go away. [:-]

Hey now, how did I deserve this? Besides, I've been playing SPWAW long before WitP came out.

My claim doesn't have any research to back it up (yet). I had heard that either in the 1st or 2nd (or both) battles of Changsha the japanese had used paratroops. I'll try looking into it.

edit: found a reference *here*, check september 27.

It's much later than I thought.

Sept 27th
1941
see we aint all bad
[:D]
Good Gaming!

ORIGINAL: Alby

ORIGINAL: String

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin



Well, don't keep us in suspense -- please educate us.

Oh, this guy is a WiTP fan -- I guess he just dropped in to stir up some sh*t.

Give us some data, man, or just go away. [:-]

Hey now, how did I deserve this? Besides, I've been playing SPWAW long before WitP came out.

My claim doesn't have any research to back it up (yet). I had heard that either in the 1st or 2nd (or both) battles of Changsha the japanese had used paratroops. I'll try looking into it.

edit: found a reference *here*, check september 27.

It's much later than I thought.

Sept 27th
1941
see we aint all bad
[:D]
Good Gaming!

It was before december 7th though [;)]