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RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:22 pm
by siRkid
ORIGINAL: Kid
Will we be able to destroy aircraft fragments? Something like what was done for the LCUs? Sometimes a fragment from a carrier group will make it to a land base after its carrier is sunk. These units cannot combine with any other unit and they never grow. I would like to be able to destroy them. Also, sometimes you evac a base and have to leave behind some damaged aircraft. These aircraft never repair and the parent Sq can never reach its full strength. These fragments sit there until the enemy takes that base. I can think of other reasons I would want to destroy fragments but this it too long already.
I don't want to be a pain but I never did get an answer to my question.
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:43 pm
by Brady
What about the smaller elements aboard CV's that WiTP could not represent, the recon and scout/patrole units, like the Early Judy's deployed in 2 or 3's on Japanese CV's and the SOC:
Has, or could small CV capable units be added to alow these planes a place in game?
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:52 pm
by timtom
ORIGINAL: Brady
What about the smaller elements aboard CV's that WiTP could not represent, the recon and scout/patrole units, like the Early Judy's deployed in 2 or 3's on Japanese CV's and the SOC:
Has, or could small CV capable units be added to alow these planes a place in game?
ORIGINAL: timtom
Please direct questions pertaining the OOB of carrier- and other shipbased aviation to the Navy Team. I won't repeat this. For at least the next 24 hours.
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:10 pm
by Brady
Photo from Maru magazine No. 380, March, 1978
Caption reads:
"Type 99 carrier-bomber Model 11, under both wings are 60-kilo bombs. On both sides can be seen dive-brakes. The "VAl" is taking off from Akagi''s extensive flight-deck on anti-submarine patrol, photo taken in the spring of 1942."
Image and translation provided by Bill Somerville via J-Aircraft
Question:
Are Bomb's for ASW work moeled as such and limited to just 60 kg and bigger, or will planes with smaller laods like the ALF be able to use 30 kg loads?
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:07 pm
by JamesM
Are you looking into how escort missions are done? What I mean, I have yet to see B29's being escorted to their target even though I have plenty of P51's (including a HQ and a lot of supplies) at Iwo Jima.
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:00 pm
by Speedysteve
Hi guys,
A question on A-Bombs.
Is their effect to be chanegd at all? As in when dropped on a City at present they will just damage/destroy industry. Should they not also destroy/damage planes, ships and troops in the hex as well?
Thanks,
Steven
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:05 pm
by jwilkerson
ORIGINAL: jamesm
Are you looking into how escort missions are done? What I mean, I have yet to see B29's being escorted to their target even though I have plenty of P51's (including a HQ and a lot of supplies) at Iwo Jima.
I'm not aware that we are changing anything in this area - but the way to get "loose" escort even now is to fly a "sweep". Sweeps at same range will often (not always) come in with the bombers. Planes flying sweeps at shorter ranges than the bombers will usually (not always) come in first and "clear the skies" at least a bit, before the bombers show up.
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:10 pm
by NormS3
Couple pilot/instructor questions
Will pilots who are released to be instructors, be sent back to their original squadron later?
Is there still going to be mission limits for all allied pilots?
If so how does being an instructor affect that?
Are all allied pilots treated the same? The Dutch, French, and Phillipino, pilots don't (most likely) have a home country to go to.
Will there be a chance to modify any of this in the editor or is it all hard coded?
Will there be a separate pool for Thai and Chicom Pilots?
Sorry for the salvo of questions, but thanks again for all of your answers.
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 4:35 pm
by Mike Scholl
ORIGINAL: jwilkerson
ORIGINAL: jamesm
Are you looking into how escort missions are done? What I mean, I have yet to see B29's being escorted to their target even though I have plenty of P51's (including a HQ and a lot of supplies) at Iwo Jima.
I'm not aware that we are changing anything in this area - but the way to get "loose" escort even now is to fly a "sweep". Sweeps at same range will often (not always) come in with the bombers. Planes flying sweeps at shorter ranges than the bombers will usually (not always) come in first and "clear the skies" at least a bit, before the bombers show up.
Nice "trick"...,but it doesn't really answer
Jamesm's question. It should be possible to fly "escort" missions with P-51's from Iwo for B-29's from the Marianas. That's how it was done historically. Is there something in the programming that causes the problem he's observing?
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:02 pm
by Brady
el cid again-Well acording a some stuff I read and a documentry I saw on the subject they did tie down some Fighter squadrons on the west coast, and the Military was very aware of them, and they undertook a media blackout, no news pappers were alowed to print stories concerning spottings of them. The reasion being that they knew that this info would get back to Japan and they would be able to use it to their advantage. In fact because Japan prety much never heard anything regarding them at all they stoped the programe, they did send lots of them our way though.
Heck a couple years ago while working this job on the Oregon coast (Newport) they uncovered one while digging a septic tank out, it was burried just under the surface in some soft ground, it's ordance still live, they had to get a EOD type to deal with it. I asked the guy's down their if this thing had ever happend before and they said once in a great while some one would find one, but they hadent heard of it in years.
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:54 pm
by Sardaukar
By the way, will drop tanks be modelled ? They can be used in game even now..but maybe they could be tweaked to be more realistic.
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:07 pm
by ChezDaJez
ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
By the way, will drop tanks be modelled ? They can be used in game even now..but maybe they could be tweaked to be more realistic.
Not necessarily as expendable stores but they are being worked on as we speak...
Chez
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:16 pm
by el cid again
ORIGINAL: Brady
el cid again-Well acording a some stuff I read and a documentry I saw on the subject they did tie down some Fighter squadrons on the west coast, and the Military was very aware of them, and they undertook a media blackout, no news pappers were alowed to print stories concerning spottings of them. The reasion being that they knew that this info would get back to Japan and they would be able to use it to their advantage. In fact because Japan prety much never heard anything regarding them at all they stoped the programe, they did send lots of them our way though.
Heck a couple years ago while working this job on the Oregon coast (Newport) they uncovered one while digging a septic tank out, it was burried just under the surface in some soft ground, it's ordance still live, they had to get a EOD type to deal with it. I asked the guy's down their if this thing had ever happend before and they said once in a great while some one would find one, but they hadent heard of it in years.
All true - hundreds have been found - there is a map in Silent Siege of these sites - as far East as Michigan.
And there was a blackout - Japan heard nothing - and wasn't sure they were landing - one reason for the idea to deliver them from less distant launch points. It was an effective strategy. They worked very well technically speaking - except there was no accuracy over transoceanic distances. Close in would have permitted targeting a metroplex. But bw vs the USA was not going to work well -- too good a health service. In modern Japan a cult launched bw attacks - the same one that did nerve gas in a subway. Japan never knew until they confessed - so good was their health system!
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:49 pm
by Sardaukar
ORIGINAL: ChezDaJez
ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
By the way, will drop tanks be modelled ? They can be used in game even now..but maybe they could be tweaked to be more realistic.
Not necessarily as expendable stores but they are being worked on as we speak...
Chez
Good news. [8D] I have a feeling my wife will not like AE expansion...
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:15 am
by Speedysteve
Any thoughts on my question above?[:)]
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:37 am
by Andy Mac
A bombs and strategic bombing are on the list of things to look at for a few of us and there has been discussions on it especially impact and liklihood (or difficulty of getting firestorms to destroy industry) Its certainly on my list
BUT its such a late war issue and we have so many other things to do it will be on the list for review later probably not on release.
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:44 am
by Andy Mac
p.s also on this same list for me is FOW ing the ability of allies especially to target an industry or factory specifically pin point attacks are to easy at moment just as firestorms are to hard but as I said not for now
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:59 am
by Speedysteve
Cool. Thanks Andy.
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:22 am
by SargeantTex
I know you wont let the cat out of the bag but here is a list of planes that WITP didnt have that would be great in AE
1. F7F Tigercat
2.F8F Bearcat
3.Sea Hurricane
4.Kikka
5.Japanese version of ME163 (I forget what it was called)
6.Japanese G10 uberbomber
7.Karaya Ka-1 autogyro(I think that is the right name?)
RE: Aircraft Fragments
Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:17 am
by Fishbed
ORIGINAL: SargeantTex
I know you wont let the cat out of the bag but here is a list of planes that WITP didnt have that would be great in AE
1. F7F Tigercat
2.F8F Bearcat
3.Sea Hurricane
4.Kikka
5.Japanese version of ME163 (I forget what it was called)
6.Japanese G10 uberbomber
7.Karaya Ka-1 autogyro(I think that is the right name?)
I'd rather choose to have a big cat or a Shooting star, which were flying for real before the end of the war, rather than any additionnal Japanese what-if... [;)]
The Kikka would just be an improved kamikaze plane by the time we'd get it...
Edit: sorry I meant Shooting Star, not Starfire, of course [:o]