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RE: RHS 4.1 [For anyone wanting USN/USMC air groups right]
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:20 pm
by el cid again
[quote]ORIGINAL: Bliztk
Hi, I have been looking at the RHS scenarios and I have found some oddities.
First, there are several models (like 50 B29) avaliable at start
Yes - In RHS the "pool" is either the total number of planes - or the difference between production per month and real production. In this case, the number of B-29s in theater operational units is the number of months times 50 - but that is 50 too few - and further the first unit appears when there is a production pool already.
REPLY: This is a technical problem: turns out you can use a plane before it exists! Someone pointed that out - but I forgot to fix it. I need to fold in some of those pools into the monthly rate - much as that is less than an ideal solution (getting an extra 2 or 4 planes per month is not the same as starting with 50 on the availability date of the plane - which is what I expected it to mean). Turns out the code ignores the availability date - if anything is in the pool - it is available! So I should fix that for 4.0
Second, the PP for some units are totally wrong. For example the US BF at United States Base (SLC) is prepping for a city on Siberia, Kuching BF is prepping for Yenen, and units in China are generally prepping for wrong places
RHS: I have private information from Andrew this is a known issue.
It is in RHS because that is how CHS is. We never changed such a thing.
But while we have cought a number of these in British forces, we were not aware it was an issue for US forces. I believe the data set got numbers in them at various times - CHS hands the entire file set around calling the current location the "file owner" - and this probably permits lots of things to happen unknown to humans. There are 133,000 fields or so - and small numbers are interpreted in various ways by various fields.
I find looking at lots of fields in a spreadsheet helps spot these bogus numbers. Most of these units should start with no planning at all - that is a zero in the planning field. If you can supply slot numbers, I can fix them faster.
RE: RHS 4.1 [New plane(s)? Revised USMC Air groups.]
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:28 pm
by el cid again
It looks like we can add a sort of "American Emily" capability - ultra long range recon - in the form of PB4Y-1P units -
adding this plane permits creation of VD1, 3, 4 and 5
and
VMD 154, 254 and 354
It is a sort of B-24 without bombs, with extra fuel in tanks installed in the former bomb bays - and which looks a lot like existing B-24 art -
but substitutes range for bomb load. I can add this with no change to art panels.
Another consideration is the PV-2 Ventura - also using existing art.
Planes need to be reviewed because pools - intended to be available when the plane becomes available - can be used ANY time! So this is the time to chime in if you want a different plane.
RE: RHS 4.1 [For anyone wanting USN/USMC air groups right]
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:01 pm
by Bliztk
Salt Lake City Base Force => Magadan (Siberia)
Portland Base Force => (none), actually it marks 50PPs for nothing
Toga Def Force => Yakutsk (Siberia)
AA Melbourne Base force => (none), like Portland BF
AA Whyhalla Fortress => Wellington (NZ)
AA Fremantle Fortress => Koepang (Timor)
Poniatak Base seems 1 hex to the west, and the BF is swimming two hexes west. Also it points to Batavia
RN Kuching BF => Yenen (China)
Philipinnes (don`t know if this is intended)
PP Army 3/82 Bn => Iolio (Should point to Tagbilaran)
Both units at Catanduares point to Mindoro (PP 12th BF, PP 81st Div)
PP 61st Div points to Lamon Bay, its located in Ioilio
PP 3/62 Bn points to Negros, its located in Tacoban
PP 51st Div (Located at Lamon, Points to Clark, but this could be OK)
Manila = Half of the units here points to San Fernando
Angeles/Clark Field = Nearly all units here point to Ormoc (Obviously Wrong)
PP 3/12th Bn it`s in Aparri and Points to Lucena
China is a mess, nearly all of the units have wrong PPs, I suggest that you can check them to see if they point where you want
RE: RHS 4.1 [For anyone wanting USN/USMC air groups right]
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:04 pm
by Bliztk
BTW, you can solve the problem of the excess air units by creating (or using an existent) squadron that automatically upgrades to an obsolete model (to ensure you have replacement aircrafts) the date when you want to add the B-29s or the other planes.
The next day, because the auto-update routine you will have the planes added to the pool
RE: RHS 4.1 [New plane(s)? Revised USMC Air groups.]
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:30 pm
by ClaudeJ
ORIGINAL: el cid again
It is a sort of B-24 without bombs, with extra fuel in tanks installed in the former bomb bays - and which looks a lot like existing B-24 art -
but substitutes range for bomb load. I can add this with no change to art panels.
A such modification was also made to two B-25J (N5-180 and N5-185) from the N°18 (NEI) Squadron - RAAF.
The top turret was removed, 1364 liters (about 300 US gallons) drop tank was installed in the bomb bay and another of 836 liters (about 184 US gallons) in the fuselage. Several cameras and a drift indicator completed the equipment.
I've no infos about the range but the two air aircraft flew a 13hrs and half sortie.
It occured between july and october 1944.
RE: RHS 4.1 [New plane(s)? Revised USMC Air groups.]
Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:52 pm
by Hornsby
In RHS 4.08 slot 1476, RAAF Hudsons report to USSR Pacific O Fleet instead of ANZAC. I loaded the camodatxx files, only Scenario 60 had a precis in the 'Description' box.
RE: RHS EOS 4.10 Errata
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:41 am
by witpqs
Errata present in RHS EOS v4.10 (just released):
- Pontianak base force begins the game in the ocean (without a ship) in hex 24,57 (next to Pontianak). [Note: In the Pwhex just released there is also a road/trail in this ocean hex.]
- KGV class battleships point to the wrong art (they point to the correct art in CVO). KGV class 187 points to bitmap 183, should point to bitmap 187.
- Slot 1476 (RAAF Number 2/2 Flight) reports to 'USSR Pacific O Fleet'.
RE: RHS EOS 4.10 Errata
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:55 am
by CobraAus
RHS v4.1 for all scenarios posted on download link page
Cobra Aus
RE: RHS 4.07 Series (tested case by case)
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:27 am
by CobraAus
RHS 4.11 location dat files posted on download link page
Cobra Aus
RE: RHS 4.07 Series (tested case by case)
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:30 am
by Hornsby
Kodiak has no resources although it has its fish symbol.
RE: RHS 4.07 Series (tested case by case)
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:52 am
by Bliztk
EOS is still 4.08, and its the same file, exactly
RE: RHS 4.08 (eratta update)
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:50 am
by el cid again
ORIGINAL: witpqs
More errata (present in EOS v4.072):
- Pontianak base force begins the game in the ocean (without a ship) in hex 24,57 (next to Pontianak). [Note: In the Pwhex just released there is also a road/trail in this ocean hex.]
This is a problem with the way the data is presented. If you play with hexes you should see the unit is in a land hex - just in the corner. Unless it is an error. I did change that hex a few pwhex files back - and Andrew elected not to change it - it is a question of making the art match the file and it is very close to the hex edge. EDIT: Right you are. Unit 3368 is in the wrong hex. I will issue a correction as 4.12 in a few seconds. That will also include a new aircraft - PV-2 Harpoon - and correction of upgrade paths for US PB squadrons.
- Soviets are not active (IIRC they are supposed to be active in EOS, otherwise ignore this entry).
IF the Soviets are not active, you have the wrong cam file. This file is now included in distribution - it also has the political points for the scenario - and probably pilots too.
- KGV class battleships again point to the wrong art (was fixed a few releases ago in CVO)
I remember that - it is amazing how this happens - but you have not indicated what is the right art? EDIT: Again - not true for any scenario.
So there is some sort of file problem - in this case it is the class file.
- RAF 114 Base Force starts the game in hex 2,2 - 'in the field' next to Aden. I assume it should begin in Aden.
This is now fixed - Almost all British base forces started at Mideast which used to be in this hex. There were also ships appearing there - and they too have been relocated - to Aden. There were also a few US air squadrons pointing there. Depending on scenario, they relocated to Aden or to United States (Salt Lake City in RHS).
- Slots 1487 (RAAF Number 13/2 Flight) and 1476 (RAAF Number 2/2 Flight) report to 'USSR Pacific O Fleet'.
That seems wrong! EDIT: This is not true. That means you are somehow mixing files. You have the wrong location file. You need to update.
Also a question - are 'Field Hands' supposed to perform engineer functions?
Yes - Field Hands are supposed to be engineers. WITPQS reported they don't. I tested and seem to have verified his report. But Matrix insists that engineers are engineers! Go figure - for safety I put in real engineer squads in all large supply sinks - to insure destruction of facilities under a land attack. Field hand squads differ in that they are almost worthless in combat. Otherwise they are the same as pioneers or sappers. Coolie squads are the same as field hand squads, except they have more men, and are worth even less in combat! The man count is quite small - I found it impacts land combat - so I minized it. These are real work teams like you find in real life - a field hand squad is something like 4 and a coolie squad is something like 6 men (or women).
RE: RHS 4.08 (eratta update)
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:25 am
by Sneer
i noticed one of russian aircraft cannon to have penetration >20
RE: RHS 4.08 (eratta update)
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:34 pm
by el cid again
Right.
Aircraft weapons do not use penetration in mm - except in the anti-armor field. They have a cruder scale.
1 is the penetration of a .30
2 is the penetration of a .50
4 is the pentration of a 20mm
7 is the penetration of a 30 mm class
10 is the penetration of a 57mm
13 is the penetration of a 75mm gun
These correspond to values from 9mm (30 cal) to 131 mm (75mm) -
not the same - as you see.
I didn't design it. Don't blame me. It is probably related to the armor value of planes - which is also crude. Values of zero and one are common - and two is rare. I bet a plane with armor value = 1 is proof against a .30 in many cases (Gary loves die roles, remember - and if he shoots you in the face armor does you no good at all). I bet a plane with armor value = 2 is proof against a .50 most of the time. And I bet nothing is proof against cannon - more or less right.
RE: RHS 4.07 Series (tested case by case)
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:00 pm
by Mifune
The "Fish" symbol is more of a inside joke for El Cid by CobraAus.
RE: RHS 4.07 Series (tested case by case)
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:40 pm
by Ol_Dog
4.08 Scen 60 - In Japanese Wake Island TF on Dec 7, 4 Cl and 6 DD. No AP ot ground pounders.
In another WITP copy it has 3 CL 6 DD 2 AP and Maizuru 2nd SNLF.
Did not find Maizuru 2nd SNLF in unit list.
Probably that is why no ground combat on Wake on Dec 7
RE: RHS EOS 4.10 Errata
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:23 pm
by witpqs
Sid,
I should have bolded this to make it stand out since it was a copy with addition from a previous message.
ORIGINAL: witpqs
- KGV class battleships point to the wrong art (they point to the correct art in CVO). KGV class 187 points to bitmap 183, should point to bitmap 187.
RE: RHS EOS 4.12 Errata
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 7:53 pm
by witpqs
Noticed something strange near Vladivostok (which is hex 65,33).
In hex 66,33 - which is a land-locked hex behind the city - there is a static CD unit 100% prepped for Vladivostok.
There are other units in the same hex, all prepping for Vladivostok (but they are mobile and can be adjusted by the player). Below is a list of all the units in hex 66,33.
Slot/Unit
2194 USSR 102nd Regional Fortress - CD
2198 USSR 549th Howitzer Regiment - ART
2197 USSR 199th Howitzer Regiment - ART
2196 USSR 273rd Gun Regiment - ART
2195 USSR 50th Gun Regiment - ART
2190 USSR 59th Rifle Division - INF
2189 USSR 39th Rifle Division - INF
2182 USSR 58th Tank Brigade - ARM
RE: RHS 4.07 Series (tested case by case)
Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:22 pm
by CobraAus
RHS v4.12 PWHEX file and update for all scenarios posted on download link page
Cobra Aus
RE: RHS 4.12 EOS Errata
Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:13 am
by witpqs
In RHS EOS 4.12, the two air groups on the CVL Hermes have reverted back to maximum size of '2'. In recent versions thay had been increased to '6' each (capacity of Hermes is 12 a/c).
Slot 2217 - FAA 1 Flt/814 Sqdn
Slot 2218 - FAA 2 Flt/814 Sqdn