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RE: Turn 120
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 4:36 am
by larryfulkerson
I'm building only something like 428 HRS squads per turn so even *IF* I get lucky and capture Leningrad and Stalingrad Dave will STILL be producing more than 2 X whatever I can produce of everything including, and especially, tanks. So I've already lost the attrition war. It's got to be maneuvoure or nothing. I mean I can't hold the front line for long whenever he gets his ENTIRE army on the front. I expect that will happen in about 10 turns from now. Maybe shorter. The trouble is that the '42 winter offensive starts right about then too. So he'll get a shock bonus and I'll be tired from all this fighting and he will have the advantage and I'll start to do defensive things instead of offensive things and it'll all go downhill from there. How's that for a prediction? I cut back, way back, on my attacks for the last three turns or so because I'd like to see 33,000 HRS squads assigned somehow. It's hovered around 32K for the last 10 turns or so and I haven't seen it hit 33K YET. Must be because of all my losses from the attacks each turn that's keeping it down there in the 32K range. Maybe I should cut back entirely on the attacking business. But I'm SO CLOSE to captureing Leningrad and Stalingrad that I feel like I *should* keep trying.
Thoughts? Anybody?
RE: Turn 120
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 5:39 am
by pionier
Da Huge D may you could show planes + tanks too?
regards
RE: Turn 120
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 5:43 am
by pionier
HEy Larry when you hold your Hex you take in 121 near Stalingrad you got the 10% destroyed!
And why do you not attack first the Hexes around Leningrad? I don't see any use in this two side attack.
regards
RE: Turn 120
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 10:02 am
by Panama
ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson
I'm building only something like 428 HRS squads per turn so even *IF* I get lucky and capture Leningrad and Stalingrad Dave will STILL be producing more than 2 X whatever I can produce of everything including, and especially, tanks. So I've already lost the attrition war. It's got to be maneuvoure or nothing. I mean I can't hold the front line for long whenever he gets his ENTIRE army on the front. I expect that will happen in about 10 turns from now. Maybe shorter. The trouble is that the '42 winter offensive starts right about then too. So he'll get a shock bonus and I'll be tired from all this fighting and he will have the advantage and I'll start to do defensive things instead of offensive things and it'll all go downhill from there. How's that for a prediction? I cut back, way back, on my attacks for the last three turns or so because I'd like to see 33,000 HRS squads assigned somehow. It's hovered around 32K for the last 10 turns or so and I haven't seen it hit 33K YET. Must be because of all my losses from the attacks each turn that's keeping it down there in the 32K range. Maybe I should cut back entirely on the attacking business. But I'm SO CLOSE to captureing Leningrad and Stalingrad that I feel like I *should* keep trying.
Thoughts? Anybody?
IIRC, even if you capture Leningrad and Stalingrad he will still be producing twice as many T-34 as was historically made. So you need to up the production of those FT-17 French tanks to counter that. [:D]
But seriously, you have lots of green so resting folks isn't an issue. Maybe straighten your lines to get more reserves? Get in the fox hole, strap your M-1 steel pot down real tight, bend over, grab your ankles. You probably know the rest. [:D]
RE: Turn 120
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 10:05 am
by larryfulkerson
ORIGINAL: pionier
...why do you not attack first the Hexes around Leningrad? I don't see any use in this two side attack.
I think you're correct. I think maybe I should try 3-sided attacks instead. Here's a turn-lapsed movie showing the Axis advance near Leningrad. It's from turns 117 through 121. It shows that I'm taking hexes around those two I'm already in and attacking from. I'll eventually have the city I'm thinking.
RE: Turn 120
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:08 am
by Ribak
Soviet Production seems a little bit too high (compared to the historical one ...)
Anyway, impressive - Russians have more HRS ON HAND than Axis in field ... crazy [:D]
Tactics: You have to take Leningrad Larry - for the moral of your men facing the asian hordes [;)]
Stalingrad is tricky - you have to choose the right time to stop you offense (in order to survive the upcoming Soviet one).
And think of the pm I wrote you [8D]
Really enjoying this AAR [&o]
RE: Turn 122
Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 10:44 pm
by larryfulkerson
I published the AAR for turn 122 on my site which as you guys know by now is found here:
http://65.101.188.183
RE: Turn 120
Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 11:05 pm
by Panama
ORIGINAL: Ribak
Soviet Production seems a little bit too high (compared to the historical one ...)
Anyway, impressive - Russians have more HRS ON HAND than Axis in field ... crazy [:D]
Really enjoying this AAR [&o]
In 1942 Soviet T34 production averaged about 120 tanks per game turn. In the last quarter of 1942, when the Axis advance was at it's zenith the Soviets were producing their maximum number of tanks for the year, 168 T34 per game turn.
I'm not sure how many T34 your Soviet opponent is getting per game turn but I imagine it's almost double the last quarter 1942 number.
RE: Turn 120
Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 3:43 am
by pionier
@ Larry congratulations you took Stalingrad Produktion
Didn't you check your news?
RE: Turn 122
Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:30 am
by larryfulkerson
No I didn't check my news. Well well well. What do you know. I guess I'm doing better than I thought.
EDIT:
I bet Dave is jumping up and down, throwing things against the wall, hissy fit mad.
RE: Turn 122
Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:36 am
by Bamilus
I bet Dave is jumping up and down, throwing things against the wall, hissy fit mad.
[:D]
RE: Turn 122
Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:17 am
by pionier
Well I think he doesn't care.
Also be aware of Stalingrad itself, you should only take it if you are sure he can't get it back in the same turn, otherwise there will be a supply bug giving him +2% Supply for the intire game.
greetings.
RE: Turn 122
Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 9:27 am
by Ribak
Don't see the Turn 122 ... only the last one (121).
Is it only me?
RE: Turn 122
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 3:21 am
by larryfulkerson
ORIGINAL: Ribak
Don't see the Turn 122 ... only the last one (121).
Is it only me?
I'm sorry you're having trouble seeing the turns available. I have no idea what the problemo is. Turn 123 is also available ( for the rest of us I guess ).
Hey, my assigned HRS squads finally hit 33K. Does this mean I can start attacking again in earnest?
I'm thinking of switching over to the defensive mode since my Armies are so depleated and the Soviet '42 Winter Offensive is going to begin soon. That includes some pull-backs to straighten my lines and go for more defensible positions etc. Thoughts? Anybody?
RE: Turn 122
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:40 am
by Panama
ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson
Does this mean I can start attacking again in earnest?
If I were you I wouldn't attack in earnest at all, I'd keep fighting in Russia.
RE: Turn 122
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 1:50 pm
by Ribak
I can see the turns now, thx.
Leningrad situation is kinda funny, gotta respect the Russian spirit [:D]
You should pull back in the south - after all you dont wanna get encircled.
RE: Turn 122
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 6:53 pm
by barman
The sensible thing would be to pull back, on the other had this is the perfect wargame for winter '42. Without Army group A wandering off in the Caucasus and probably a smaller version of Operation Mars up north. All other elements are there: a fatigued german army in the south, huge massing of russian forces, hidden by maskirova on the russian side.
Could the germans have managed if it had not split up AGS and would Vatutin's plan still be succesfull (now more Saturn than Mars), just be known as the battle of the Don bend
Look at it this way, the guys of 7thFJ HQ won't be alone with christmas, I think, Vasilevsky and Rokkosovski are planning a christmas party at their place and half the RKKA is invited [:D]
Maybe you should construct a littlebit (2 or 3) of defensive line, the germans did have a tendency to do that
RE: Turn 122
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 7:01 pm
by barman
Could the germans have managed if it had not split up AGS and would Vatutin's plan still be succesfull (now more Saturn than Mars), just be known as the battle of the Don bend
I meant more Saturn than Uranus of course, and maybe the Encirclement battle of the Don Bend sounds better
RE: Turn 124
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 9:49 pm
by larryfulkerson
Here's an interesting turn of events. Dave has pushed some Soviet divisions across the river at a spot that was left unguarded and has established a sort of bridgehead. When things like this happen what the commander tells his troops is: "Well, the enemy finally fell into our trap...".
It looks like Dave has finally fallen into my trap guys.
RE: Turn 124
Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 10:40 pm
by Panama
ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson
Here's an interesting turn of events. Dave has pushed some Soviet divisions across the river at a spot that was left unguarded and has established a sort of bridgehead. When things like this happen what the commander tells his troops is: "Well, the enemy finally fell into our trap...".
It looks like Dave has finally fallen into my trap guys.
The good news is, there seems to be only a few Soviet reserves. The bad news is, there seems to be only a few Axis reserves. [:D]