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July 1943
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:05 am
by STEF78
6 attacks were required to expell LAH from his defence line but Tambov's garrison is now surrounded...
Strong counterattacks are organised to free the city
But losses are very heavy on both sides. Neither of us can afford such losses on the long term, but it's far worse for the axis side.
same for airplanes
RE: July 1943
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:00 am
by SparkleyTits
I don't know the numbers for 43 but is 57 potential Axis fighters for 400 potential Soviet fighters acceptable at this stage?
This has the feel of a much more controlled 43 compared to most typical AAR's but I imagine soon the crunch is going to start hitting you as it seems each turn the oven gets slightly hotter each week
You're doing a great job holding so far forward though Stef good job!
RE: July 1943
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:50 am
by Stelteck
It is the famous turn where i lost more than 1000+ tanks. [:D]
Still i regret nothing !!![:'(]
RE: July 1943
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:21 am
by Telemecus
ORIGINAL: Stelteck
It is the famous turn where i lost more than 1000+ tanks. [:D]
Still i regret nothing !!![:'(]
If they are T34s from your viewpoint they are free!
RE: July 1943
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:27 pm
by STEF78
ORIGINAL: SparkleyTits
I don't know the numbers for 43 but is 57 potential Axis fighters for 400 potential Soviet fighters acceptable at this stage?
You have to consider several factors:
- production: in 1943 USSR produces roughly 600 airplanes per week (Stelteck will correct if I'm wrong). I will check the number for germany but it's around 60 fighters.
- withdrawal: a lot of fighter units are sent back to Germany. As previously said, I have 9 fighter squads, most with 40, but 2 of them with 12.
- damaged: even if the pool contains "new planes" we have also to deal with damanged planes. Some of my quadrons have 25 fighters available.
- minor axis: italians were good but are gone, hungarians do the job, finns are in the north, romanians are ... over
- dive bombers Stukas J87 are no longer efficient, FW190F production is minimal
- level bombers are useless
High intensity fights are in favor of the russians on the long term
This has the feel of a much more controlled 43 compared to most typical AAR's but I imagine soon the crunch is going to start hitting you as it seems each turn the oven gets slightly hotter each week
Really hot indeed[:@]
You're doing a great job holding so far forward though Stef good job!
thanks
RE: July 1943
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:37 pm
by Telemecus
ORIGINAL: STEF78
I have 9 fighter squads, most with 40, but 2 of them with 12.
It is possible to turn twin engine fighter trained fighter bomber groups into single engine fighter groups by swaps via Me fighter bombers. So if you have a simple shortage of fighter groups (as opposed to airframes) and have not done that you may want to consider it.
RE: July 1943
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:43 pm
by DeletedUser1769703214
ORIGINAL: STEF78
ORIGINAL: SparkleyTits
I don't know the numbers for 43 but is 57 potential Axis fighters for 400 potential Soviet fighters acceptable at this stage?
You have to consider several factors:
- production: in 1943 USSR produces roughly 600 airplanes per week (Stelteck will correct if I'm wrong). I will check the number for germany but it's around 60 fighters.
- withdrawal: a lot of fighter units are sent back to Germany. As previously said, I have 9 fighter squads, most with 40, but 2 of them with 12.
- damaged: even if the pool contains "new planes" we have also to deal with damanged planes. Some of my quadrons have 25 fighters available.
- minor axis: italians were good but are gone, hungarians do the job, finns are in the north, romanians are ... over
- dive bombers Stukas J87 are no longer efficient, FW190F production is minimal
- level bombers are useless
High intensity fights are in favor of the russians on the long term
This has the feel of a much more controlled 43 compared to most typical AAR's but I imagine soon the crunch is going to start hitting you as it seems each turn the oven gets slightly hotter each week
Really hot indeed[:@]
You're doing a great job holding so far forward though Stef good job!
thanks
You should have a nice pool of fighters built up as reserves though. You should be able to contest 1 area pretty nicely
RE: July 1943
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:53 pm
by Stelteck
A normal turn of looses in the end summer 1943. No unit surrended, only combat and attrition.
Only 1000 tanks lost soviet side.
RE: July 1943
Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:54 pm
by Telemecus
mostly T34 - if you are right that they would be piling up in your pool otherwise they in effect count as zero
RE: July 1943
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:08 am
by STEF78
ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
...You should have a nice pool of fighters built up as reserves though. You should be able to contest 1 area pretty nicely
...
I checked my fighter's production. The losses aren't an issue as I don't remind a week when german lost more than 80 figters.
But I have only 10 fighter's groups. 2 of them with 12 and 4 fighters
There are also some night fighters groups but they are far less efficient
RE: July 1943
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:06 am
by Telemecus
Given that you have pools of fighters and your crunch point is air groups I would definitely change a few of your other groups to single seat fighter air groups.
RE: July 1943
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:51 am
by DeletedUser1769703214
ORIGINAL: STEF78
ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
...You should have a nice pool of fighters built up as reserves though. You should be able to contest 1 area pretty nicely
...
I checked my fighter's production. The losses aren't an issue as I don't remind a week when german lost more than 80 figters.
But I have only 10 fighter's groups. 2 of them with 12 and 4 fighters
There are also some night fighters groups but they are far less efficient
I say for late 43 early 44 in the air you are in pretty darn good shape to be honest.
RE: July 1943
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:02 am
by STEF78
ORIGINAL: Telemecus
Given that you have pools of fighters and your crunch point is air groups I would definitely change a few of your other groups to single seat fighter air groups.
Unfornately, BF109 aren't allowed for night fighters squads...
RE: July 1943
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:04 am
by STEF78
ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
...I say for late 43 early 44 in the air you are in pretty darn good shape to be honest.
Thanks, but the worst is before us...
RE: July 1943
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:08 am
by Telemecus
ORIGINAL: STEF78
ORIGINAL: Telemecus
Given that you have pools of fighters and your crunch point is air groups I would definitely change a few of your other groups to single seat fighter air groups.
Unfornately, BF109 aren't allowed for night fighters squads...
I was thinking more of swapping your fighter trained Bf110 air groups to Bf109s that you can do via Me
RE: July 1943
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:20 am
by DeletedUser1769703214
ORIGINAL: STEF78
ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
...I say for late 43 early 44 in the air you are in pretty darn good shape to be honest.
Thanks, but the worst is before us...
Oh I know you have 44 to look forward to & I don't envy you at all. I like the counter attacks & think they are doing the trick for you right now.
August 1943
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:26 am
by STEF78
Turn 112, 5th august 1943
attacking requires high skill in preparation, coordination, explotation.. but defending isn't only a question of CV, line of defence and reserve activation.
There is a time when your feeling, your flair tells your that it's time to go. I feel it's now my case in this game. End 1942, we were fighting mostly from Saratov to Stalingrad and north of Baku.
Now the red army is able to achieve strong attacks from the Valdaï hills to Sevastopol and I don't want to hold the line a turn too late (too far)
North of Baku our line holds firmly...
... but the situation becomes nasty east of Stalingrad...
and west of Saratov.
maybe it could have been safe one more week but I'm not confident. Stelteck has too many tank corps. So, I give some ground and create a tactical reserve. The other mobile units from Stalingrad are sent in the north were I have a bad feeling.
August 1943
Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:33 am
by STEF78
Of course we also have heavy fights around Sevastopol, Sochi, Tambov
and north of Moscow. This sector requires strong reinforcements. Losses on both side are very heavy. I have a net loss of 10k men per week (+20-30)...
RE: July 1943
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:43 am
by STEF78
ORIGINAL: Telemecus
I was thinking more of swapping your fighter trained Bf110 air groups to Bf109s that you can do via Me
Good idea but I have no more fighters groups with BF110
Concerning night fighters, what I can do, see below
I would like to swap these fighters to FW190, whech are far better, but no factory is dedicated to this plane... a bug?
RE: August 1943
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:46 pm
by M60A3TTS
ORIGINAL: STEF78
Turn 112, 5th august 1943
attacking requires high skill in preparation, coordination, explotation.. but defending isn't only a question of CV, line of defence and reserve activation.
There is a time when your feeling, your flair tells your that it's time to go. I feel it's now my case in this game. End 1942, we were fighting mostly from Saratov to Stalingrad and north of Baku.
Now the red army is able to achieve strong attacks from the Valdaï hills to Sevastopol and I don't want to hold the line a turn too late (too far)
North of Baku our line holds firmly...
... but the situation becomes nasty east of Stalingrad...
and west of Saratov.
maybe it could have been safe one more week but I'm not confident. Stelteck has too many tank corps. So, I give some ground and create a tactical reserve. The other mobile units from Stalingrad are sent in the north were I have a bad feeling.
Wait, what? 8th Tank Army?
@morvael. The Soviets were previously limited to the historical six. Did you patch that out?
