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ORIGINAL: Joel Billings
Problem of commenting with limited info. Reasearch already costs more as you go up. There is a "world standard" for every stat. Once you go over this standard, research costs begin to go up substantially. This makes it easy for those starting behind the curve to catch up, but those pushing the envelope will pay more for it. I can't imagine what the Germans paid to get those great Panzer Groups.

Fair enough.

I'm also glad that it sounds like the SU and WA should be able to at least get in the same ball park relatively easily (1 point lower perhaps).

And perhaps the GE emphasis on tech may come back to haunt them, not enough bodies to cover all fronts?


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Since i can sail anywhere i want, i did. Into the Baltic with my Carriers and Transports to perform a couple commando raids. Western Poland was easy as there was no garrison. Berlin was tougher but that's why my carriers were brought in. after some waves of air the defenders were softened up enough to bring in an Armor unit from BR and some Long Range Air from BR as well. Berlin fell to the attack. after all factories (2) and resources (4) and the rail were sufficiently torched all the "commandos" and carriers returned to BR for the next wave.

And there ya go. Ouch.
[X(]


Incidentally, there was historical precedent for this sort of thing. The Brits did it to Norway in 1942 (if I remember correctly - no guarenttee), landing commandos, blowing up a bunch of stuff (the Germans were getting coal and iron from Northern Norway and from Sweden after all) and then went home.
Well, actually, I think a lot of them never made it home, but that is another story.

Hitler was so pissed off, he diverted a disproportionate number of forces there to guard against a future such raid.

This particular raid will become much more difficult with the militia rules, as they landed in Berlin. But still, the Germans really should have garrisoned the capitol properly.

But the raid on Poland (and East Priussia) will still be valid.

Remember kids: Garrisons!

[:D]

ORIGINAL: neuromancer

And possibly a way for the SU to deal with those pesky late model PzWs they are running into. Get out those SU ground attack planes (what were those called again?) which were apparently a real nightmare for the Germans, and the old rocket arty, and then line up the Workers (and NKVD Commissars), and the T34s, and attack!

I always use Sturmoviks and fighters when attacking. Even without looking at the numbers I get a "gut feeling" that attacks supported in that manner are significantly more effective.

O.

It's not over till its over- but DAMMIT!!!!!

ORIGINAL: MButtazoni

well the Germans may have unstoppable tanks and super heroes for infantry, but without a Navy they still have weaknesses.

Since i can sail anywhere i want, i did. Into the Baltic with my Carriers and Transports to perform a couple commando raids. Western Poland was easy as there was no garrison. Berlin was tougher but that's why my carriers were brought in. after some waves of air the defenders were softened up enough to bring in an Armor unit from BR and some Long Range Air from BR as well. Berlin fell to the attack. after all factories (2) and resources (4) and the rail were sufficiently torched all the "commandos" and carriers returned to BR for the next wave.

Russia also recieved 40 supply from the US and 20 supply from China this turn. next turn it should be more as the US produced 130 supply (along with 18 research points)

Nasty. May need a rule on the Baltic. Can't see how you would get by the minefields etc.

But a real nice move!

Great move MB, but it would be interesting to see how would your operation go if Paullus had like two Stuka units and some Me-109s guarding the Kattegat (entrance to the Baltic Sea). [:D]

Oleg

ORIGINAL: Yohan

Nasty. May need a rule on the Baltic. Can't see how you would get by the minefields etc.

But a real nice move!

There is already a rule making the life VERY hard for invader going thru strait (like Kattegat) if they are covered by aircraft and artillery. As it happened many times in this game - defending side "forgot" to "garrison" (or in this case defend) the approach in proper manner.

Ah well, another lesson learned for all of us...

With enough games under our belt we will all automatically do these things, like garrisoning rear areas, protecting straits with ARTY etc.

Oleg

ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

Great move MB, but it would be interesting to see how would your operation go if Paullus had like two Stuka units and some Me-109s guarding the Kattegat (entrance to the Baltic Sea). [:D]

Oleg

And/or artillery.

yes, i NEVER would have got thru with any coastal arty or air in Denmark.

BUT, he only has so many units and so many, many miles of coastline to protect.

ORIGINAL: MButtazoni

yes, i NEVER would have got thru with any coastal arty or air in Denmark.

BUT, he only has so many units and so many, many miles of coastline to protect.

Today's lesson, boys and girls, is the proper employment of rear area security.

...

And remember kids, the enemy is a sneaky &*@#%, so watch your back!

[:D]

Then the RAF and USAAF close support planes came in and blasted many of the German tanks to scrap.

Maybe they should have done that first.

Germany - Fall 1943

Well, we've all made mistakes & now I've made mine. As I pick through the burning embers of Berlin, the decision has been made to contract our war fronts & go on the defensive for the time being....

On the Eastern Front, we cleared up the front lines somewhat - abandoned Moscow for the moment, but also retaken Leningrad & the Ukraine (to make life more difficult for the Red Army). Our Panzer forces are now deployed for defensive operations - although we are not too confident in holding the present line - a fall back line will be prepared just in case.

In the Baltic, our Luftwaffe drove off or destroyed the remaining transports there, while our U-boats destroyed another one in the North Sea. Extremely disappointed with the Kreigsmarine, I've ordered our only carrier to sortie to the North Sea & kill something or at least die trying.

In the West, we're shifted some forces around - but do not have any offensive opportunities at the moment. Time has come to rebuild & rethink the direction of the war....only time will tell if we will have the opportunity to digest the lessons of war & use that knowledge against our enemies.

ORIGINAL: mavraam

Then the RAF and USAAF close support planes came in and blasted many of the German tanks to scrap.

Maybe they should have done that first.

Yeah, well... so many targets, so little time.

It was probably one of the first major engagements between M4s and Panthers/ Tigers, the Allies may have over-estoimated their own effectiveness. In the Desert against Rommel, the M4 was pretty effective against the older model PzWs. I don't know how many armour engagements there were on the Italian front.

There were some though, one of my uncles was in the Canadian army in Italy, and his tank group (squadron?) got pretty shot up (was never told by what, my uncle didn't talk about the war, we only found out about this incident after his death). His tank was immobilized, so he stayed behind in the tank to lay down supression fire while the rest of the crew bailed out and crawled off. He was then able to slip away later (I beleive it was evening or night which is how he was able to escape, don't know why the Germans never finished off his tank, although we can be glad that they didn't).


Back in Normandy it was probably just a case of not enough air power to do everything. The Brits and Canadians surrounded and destroyed (IIRC) the 2nd Panzer Division the old fashioned way in the early days of the operation, so they probably didn't have enough air power to do everything.

Same as Iraq in '91 and '03.

ORIGINAL: paullus99

Extremely disappointed with the Kreigsmarine, I've ordered our only carrier to sortie to the North Sea & kill something or at least die trying.

You built a carrier?! Wow. [X(]

O.

Actually, the official name is "Extremely Large Worthless Floating Target" - she's manned by the best penal battalions our camps could provide......

If nothing else, she'll make a very expensive reef.[:@]

Looking at the map a landing into yogoslavia might be nasty move from allies. There is seven areas next to yogoslavia and it would be almost impossible for axis to defend them all. Thats if allies have any troops left for making any landings at this time.

OK, with Germans having some unexpected problems in their rear, situation on the Ostfront stabilized somewhat. We reconquered some territories (to say Germans just left them to us would be more accurate). We re-entered Moscow to find it looted, burnt and desecrated. Adolf will pay for this as did Napoleon before him! We also tried to extricate Germans from Ukraine, but were repulsed (should have expected that [:@]).

Supply situation is fine for now (sending "Thank you" letter to Chang Kai Shek, among others [:D]). But we are reluctant to do any rebuilding of resources and factories in front-line provinces as Germans may be reconquering them any moment!

Two questions for Paullus...

1. It seems to me your Graf Zeppelin (carrier) does not have any aircraft?!? Edit: Nevermind, you already answered to this one [:D]

2. Partisans - how much of a problem they are to you?

Oleg

I just wanted to be the first to post about this [:D]

But, please note, it is unrelated to our ongoing AAR.

New railroad graphics! Don't tell me this does not look beautiful [8D]

But, as a matter of fact, I get corrupt map when I try to load our old PBEM in new alpha version, so we will most probably have to finish this AAR in old version, with old graphics. So don't expect to see this fine new railroads until the next AAR [8D]

Note there is difference between double tracks (higher capacity) and single track railroads. Fantastic.

(I'm suckah for nice graphics, wargames or no wargames [:D])

Oleg

Fall 1943 - Western Allies

This turn i liberated Norway, sunk the Graf Zep, repaired gobs of Resource Centers, lent Russia 50 Supply, produced 155 supply and 17 research points.

Here is Europe at the end of Fall 1943:

here is the Force Pool and production queue at the end of the turn...

Germany - Winter 1943/1944

Well, our defense zone continues to shrink with the loss of Norway (we couldn't defend it properly & the resource there was useless to us). Our lone offensive action was to take back Moscow from its defenders....making sure its resources & industry remained plowed under. We pulled our infantry out of Finland in our task of shortening our front lines (woe to the Finnish players here, but it was necessary with the loss of Norway).

Otherwise, we continued to fortify the Eastern Front and repair several of our resources & factories. Our U-Boats were sent out once again & sank two transport units, cutting the Atlantic lifeline (and hopefully making life a bit more difficult for the Western Allies.

Our hope remains in continued research & attrition on the Eastern Front - hopefully grinding down the Red Army sufficiently for renewed offensive operations in late 1944 or early 1945.