What's your Strategy?
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ORIGINAL: jeffs
That said...This game seems like HR hell........
ORIGINAL: Galahad78
Thanks a lot for putting together this AAR Greyjoy, I'm slowly catching up (still 130 pages to go [:D]), it's being quite entertaining. Thanks a lot also to all the contributors, as a -still- newbie (I've had my first grand campaign stopped for several RL months) I find your counsels to Greyjoy very interesting.
Too late now but I don't think the 6" guns on these CL's would ever penetrate a Jap CA's armor. Rate of fire is slow too. The Boise-like CL's are a different story and were feared by the Japanese who called them "machine-gun cruisers". Someone else once mentioned that old ships and news ships to do not make great task forces. Point is these old CL's should not be in the same ocean as a Jap CA. Can't figure out what he is up to with these valuable ships still in the Solomons. Probable keeping them out of harms way. 1,000 lb bombs, on the other hand, will mess them up. I'd suggest dripping a couple of modern CA's or BB's but whats the point? Doesn't matter what happens here. Best Rader can hope for is to pull out a couple of divisions. Not worth risking his CA's for. Looks like you might have got one or 2 or at least put them in th yard for a lot longer than this game might go on for. Can't figure this out or what his CV's are hanging aroundCL Richmond, Shell hits 18, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Raleigh, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
ORIGINAL: jeffs
Hi Nemo,
I found the Beaufighters (but oooo so few in number) are really nasty at 100 feet for taking out
airfields (assuming you train the pilots on strafe)....When I guy has 500 fighters at one base one would hope
the effects of nailing the bases would be felt badly..
That said...This game seems like HR hell........
ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth
Too late now but I don't think the 6" guns on these CL's would ever penetrate a Jap CA's armor. Rate of fire is slow too. The Boise-like CL's are a different story and were feared by the Japanese who called them "machine-gun cruisers". Someone else once mentioned that old ships and news ships to do not make great task forces. Point is these old CL's should not be in the same ocean as a Jap CA. Can't figure out what he is up to with these valuable ships still in the Solomons. Probable keeping them out of harms way. 1,000 lb bombs, on the other hand, will mess them up. I'd suggest dripping a couple of modern CA's or BB's but whats the point? Doesn't matter what happens here. Best Rader can hope for is to pull out a couple of divisions. Not worth risking his CA's for. Looks like you might have got one or 2 or at least put them in th yard for a lot longer than this game might go on for. Can't figure this out or what his CV's are hanging aroundCL Richmond, Shell hits 18, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Raleigh, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
ORIGINAL: Crackaces
Just a question .. is the point of the air power debate if in scenario #2 the Allies focus a sizable bit of strategic/fighter airpower within range of the home islands and the IJ concentrates thier fighter defenses in mid-1944 ...that the IJ will win the war of attrition? or is the debate getting the assests in range is only one piece.. one precise strategy allows this to work?
One theme I am picking up is typcally the Allies have lots of targets to attack (meaning DEI, Phillpines, Marinnas, Formosa, Burma .) forcing the IJ to defend a broad front that the allies easily project concentrated power .. now GreyJoy is facing concentrated IJ vs. Concentrated Allies and its very bloody ..is the difference?
ORIGINAL: crsutton
ORIGINAL: Crackaces
Just a question .. is the point of the air power debate if in scenario #2 the Allies focus a sizable bit of strategic/fighter airpower within range of the home islands and the IJ concentrates thier fighter defenses in mid-1944 ...that the IJ will win the war of attrition? or is the debate getting the assests in range is only one piece.. one precise strategy allows this to work?
One theme I am picking up is typcally the Allies have lots of targets to attack (meaning DEI, Phillpines, Marinnas, Formosa, Burma .) forcing the IJ to defend a broad front that the allies easily project concentrated power .. now GreyJoy is facing concentrated IJ vs. Concentrated Allies and its very bloody ..is the difference?
Well, Japanese production is the issue. In scen #2 and with PDU on the Japanese player has a lot of flexibility and can really crank out the aircraft. But as for the war of attrition-even with initial superiority in numbers Rader can't prevent GJ from getting hits on his aircraft factories. This is what will ultimately do Rader in. The bombers are going to get through and kill factories, and as a result Rader will eventually run short of fighters. Once the fighters are gone, then GJ will have pretty much a free run anywhere on the map. He is not just putting fighters and bombers over the target and slaughtering Rader's aircraft for no gain. Hitting the factories at the same time is future money in the bank.
Unless it is too late in the game, when the Allied put strategic bombers in range of Japanese factories, it is pretty much game over. GJ has done it very early and very effectively. I don't see Rader getting out from under this.
The way I see it, the Allies have to look to one of two aims in the contest. The traditional move would be to cut off the supply of oil to Japan. The other is a quick move to put bombers in range of Japan. GJ has done the later. The oil supply probably does not matter so much now.
ORIGINAL: JeffK
As a counter to Nemo's push for an out and out offensive against aircraft factories.
Some of those airfields with " a 1000 fighters" look ripe for an attack, maybe an occasional diversion to smash an airbase might find it easier to smash fighters on the ground which may allow your bombers an easier run next day which in turn might see factories hit harder.
At a minimum it keeps rader wondering, there might be some well stocked airbases in a base without/very little industry which he hasnt covered properly.
ORIGINAL: cwDeici
ORIGINAL: JeffK
As a counter to Nemo's push for an out and out offensive against aircraft factories.
Some of those airfields with " a 1000 fighters" look ripe for an attack, maybe an occasional diversion to smash an airbase might find it easier to smash fighters on the ground which may allow your bombers an easier run next day which in turn might see factories hit harder.
At a minimum it keeps rader wondering, there might be some well stocked airbases in a base without/very little industry which he hasnt covered properly.
Is this realistic? Did the US prosecute the war poorly, for it to have ended in 45?
Also, if Rader wants to make silly moves with his navy it should at least be to risk them in a strike against allied carriers (which I'm sure are very well protected and a bad idea to attack). It's -EV too, but a series of naval miracles are probably the most likely shot at survival.