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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

I'm just throwing this out there GJ.. but I'm guessing I would not be let down after an evening of partying with you...... When we go over to the ol' Boot, I'll have to come knockin'

What's an "Ol'Boot" ?[X(]

However...whenever it will come the time, i'll do my best to satisfy you [:'(]

Your home country....I am off for Chinese as well...

Oh, Old Boot...i got it now
 
You're welcome to come and join the party[8D]

Never been that far south yet..... Outside of America... just Canada, Netherlands, Greece, and Germany...

ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

ORIGINAL: Miller

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

I don't fear the KB right now...in fact i was hunting her (or her ghost)...i fear those LBA masses...

What would have happened if....

A6M3a Zero x 114
     A6M5 Zero x 103
     G4M1 Betty x 120
     G4M2 Betty x 28
     N1K1-J George x 541
     P1Y1 Frances x 113

arrived over my DS...followed by the KB raid? How many of my CVs would have survived?

I would never suggest going head to head with them within range of his LBA. However you seriously attrited his KB airgroups during the Tulagi/New Guinea campaign in 43, a perfect time for your CVs to strike.........but they were sitting in PH at the time "Upgrading". BTW (as you will have probably realised after the last bad turn) ship AA upgrades are pretty much pointless as Flak in the game is about a tenth as effective compared to the real war.

I would agree with that 100%

Hmmmm what version are we refering to? or are we saying the latest Beta version is borked too?

Well I am playing with a very recent Beta, maybe not the latest. My game is at March 43 and I have shot down a grand total of 30 Allied a/c by flak.

Ok...turn arrived....a mess!!!!
 
First question....i've lost nearly 250 planes sunk with the CVEs....and 30 air squadrons destroyed...but their fragment are scattered all over the Kuriles...how should i deal with them?

I strongly recommend a trip to Italy. Awesome scenery, food, people and country.

Glad to see you've recovered GJ. What's the plan now?

ORIGINAL: Miller

Well I am playing with a very recent Beta, maybe not the latest. My game is at March 43 and I have shot down a grand total of 30 Allied a/c by flak.

Here is my flak losses as the Allied player 07 JUL 1942. In particular, the Betty's hitting flak over bases along with defending my TF's.

I have not experinced a complete bork as you describe. Now I am not sure if any upgrades would have survived the blackened sky of 4000 aircraft but in Scenario #1 I have found flak to attrite its fair share of IJNAAF ..



Now Back to Greyjoy's journey ...

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What to do with those fragments...nearly 300 a/c now belongs to frangments...they cannot take replacements....what shall i do?

Japanese attack route...he passed over 4 of my subs....and they didn't manage to get a single hit....bastards!

Ok...turn arrived....a mess!!!!

First question....i've lost nearly 250 planes sunk with the CVEs....and 30 air squadrons destroyed...but their fragment are scattered all over the Kuriles...how should i deal with them?

I am despondent, you must be in rough shape. How did the KB get so close and get away without a scratch? I assume you had air searches. What a mess indeed. But as CR says, you didn't lose your good landing craft, your bombers are in good shape and your CV's were not around to share in the beating. Once again he reloads up the KB. He has lost tons of carrier craft a few times and seem just to related with more pilots and better planes. Whenever I have a crappy day at work (lots of em lately) your AAR picks me up. Guess I have to see whats on TV tonight. Sorry, that's selfish. How may CVE's do you have left? Probably have plenty in the pipeline. As for the fragments, I guess disband most of them to keep the pools up and use the Avengers and DB's on constant ground attack and ASW. Maybe pull any top notch pilots out and promote them to CV's. Another idea is to add additional squadrons to your CV's where there is room. Bring them up to theoretical capacity. All the Christmas parties lately I am finally going to have a few nights with out a drink and now this happens. Chin up, dust yourself off, be more careful next time, count your strengths and blessings and get back in the fight. His fighters are probably depleted. Load up a big bomber strike, no sweeps, just many groups escorting and get out there and bomb something. Your our warrior out there. Strike!

Maybe this is a dumb question, but don't you have tons of 2E bombers? Why aren't those 4 air fields on Honshu closest to you shut down all the time? You don't need long range fighters or long range bombers to hit them. Hell, bombing the airfields will slow down any attempt to build forts - and you do want to land there. This attack gives you perfect cover for smashing those bases and keeping on hitting them. If he keeps planes there, they will be smashed on the ground. If he LRCaps, then he will greatly fatigue lots of his planes - and they won't be defending against strategic bombing runs.

I feel vulnerable now....damn this game is worse than a love story!....
 
Checked my 4Es....only have 240 between B-24Js and B-29s....really too few to keep on strat bombing...ufffffffffffrff[:o]
 
Tomorrow we'll try to catch all those planes damaged that he must have left at Ominato....we'll use 2Es and some navy and british 4Es.... subs are out again trying to intercept te KB....but i don't have any expectations considering the horrible results i had with subs till now....
 
What to say else? The damaged ships will try to get to Shikuka (1 ARD and 3 ARs there) but most of my damaged CVEs will sink tomorrow....i have lost 33 CVEs in this raid...something like 1000 potential planes to support an invasion....
 
Hopefully tomorrow i'll feel better....but for now my morale is back to the days of Karachi....
 
But i have to give credit to Rader once again....he played this very very well...and i probably went overconfident thinking that 600 fighters on the CVEs + 230 at Uruppu + 190 at Etorofu + 150 at Shimushiri were enough to keep my Kuriles safe from this "coups de main"....but they weren't... how is it possible that my fighters on the CVEs performed so badly?! they didn't even engage the raids...look at the first raid....10 fighters lost on each side and that's all.... the CVEs don't suffer the "sitting in base" penalty right?
 
Oh well...doesn't really matter....guess it was a bad dice and roll this time...
 
Tomorrow i'll feel better....let's sleep over !
 
night gents!!!!

ORIGINAL: DTurtle

Maybe this is a dumb question, but don't you have tons of 2E bombers? Why aren't those 4 air fields on Honshu closest to you shut down all the time? You don't need long range fighters or long range bombers to hit them. Hell, bombing the airfields will slow down any attempt to build forts - and you do want to land there. This attack gives you perfect cover for smashing those bases and keeping on hitting them. If he keeps planes there, they will be smashed on the ground. If he LRCaps, then he will greatly fatigue lots of his planes - and they won't be defending against strategic bombing runs.

You cannot close them all at the same time. he has 200k men in each of those 4 bases and i naval bomb them almost every 2 turns....no matter the damages i inflict he always getting them operative the next day...he must be swimming with engineers there....
Also i have "only" 250 2Es in the Kuriles...the rest is being used as training camp cause loss rate on bomber crew is really high...and i need good pilots for my 4Es....

however my pools aren't in a good shape guys...4E pools are empty and my groups depleted...2Es are in a better shape but the lack of good bomber pilots remains a problem....i'm losing something like 200 pilots every month with this bombing campaign....

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

Ok...turn arrived....a mess!!!!

First question....i've lost nearly 250 planes sunk with the CVEs....and 30 air squadrons destroyed...but their fragment are scattered all over the Kuriles...how should i deal with them?

I am despondent, you must be in rough shape. How did the KB get so close and get away without a scratch? I assume you had air searches. What a mess indeed. But as CR says, you didn't lose your good landing craft, your bombers are in good shape and your CV's were not around to share in the beating. Once again he reloads up the KB. He has lost tons of carrier craft a few times and seem just to related with more pilots and better planes. Whenever I have a crappy day at work (lots of em lately) your AAR picks me up. Guess I have to see whats on TV tonight. Sorry, that's selfish. How may CVE's do you have left? Probably have plenty in the pipeline. As for the fragments, I guess disband most of them to keep the pools up and use the Avengers and DB's on constant ground attack and ASW. Maybe pull any top notch pilots out and promote them to CV's. Another idea is to add additional squadrons to your CV's where there is room. Bring them up to theoretical capacity. All the Christmas parties lately I am finally going to have a few nights with out a drink and now this happens. Chin up, dust yourself off, be more careful next time, count your strengths and blessings and get back in the fight. His fighters are probably depleted. Load up a big bomber strike, no sweeps, just many groups escorting and get out there and bomb something. Your our warrior out there. Strike!

Thanks John! Much appreciated!

I have left something like 10 operative CVEs...12 maybe if i manage to save a couple of them....
Disband you suggest?...but if i disband i'll lose the planes right?
The KB simply pass through my subs screen rushing from the Bonins where my naval search doesn't arrive...in fact the raid was very well calculated...the KB arrived in position only the second day...so it probably did something like 30/36 hexes in two days to arrive there undetected....

Yes, don't worry...i'll recover...as always....i just need some sleep and a couple of martini as Cpt Mandrake suggested....maybe half a porn could be usefull too [:D]

10 fighters lost on each side and that's all

Because escorts keep fighters busy! Same is true of your 4E raids. If you have a few groups assigned to escort at least 1 or 2 of them will. They keep the bombers relatively free to do their job. Not really sure about the fragments. If you combine the fragments into tier respective groups can't they resize to the original group size? Worst case pull the best pilots and use the bombers to shut down airfields or ground attack until they are gone. If the group can take replacements stick a group on each of your CV's until so they have their full capacity. I, too, am disgusted with your subs. If their not doing thier job send them to die in the DEI. You might get a few ships and it will keeps his bombers away form the Home Islands.

Greyjoy, you'll be fine!  Yeah, it sucks, and rader did a great job to cause about the most damage he possibly could to you.  Now, you have learned from this and will be on guard.  This is very, very likely rader's last major achievement. 

You compare the feeling to the "Karachi days", but take another look at the map.  Look closely at where you are!  You are kicking his butt!  Keep it up and keep your chin up!  [8D]

how is it possible that my fighters on the CVEs performed so badly?! they didn't even engage the raids...look at the first raid....10 fighters lost on each side and that's all.... the CVEs don't suffer the "sitting in base" penalty right?

Unless something has changed in the Betas, any CV, CVEs included, fly fewer planes if they are in a shore/base hex. Only the AI is immune.

As an aside - all of the "ammo explosion" messages are a good lesson for everyone who wants to use their CVEs as Combat Carriers...

Good luck -

GJ,

Given Rader's a/c losses it is highly unlikely he will stick around tomorrow. What about disbanding the damaged CVEs in Uruppu? Might save a few.