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RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:47 am
by bigjoe96912
In reference to captured ships, would it be possible to capture ships that are in port under repair when you overrun the base, i.e the capture of the USS Stewart. I have overran Java and have seen auto scuttle of various transports Dutch CL's DD's and Pt Boats. Would it be possible for a die role of a capture instead of an automatic scuttle, and wouldn't that solve the duel oob of assuming capture. Also Ships assigned to repairs in a dockyard actually be tied to that base in the event of capture, or is this getting way out of the scope of the game engine.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:18 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Capturing ships isn't going to be in the AE.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:05 pm
by Barb
Spence: about the refueling at sea from AO.
US: practised refueling side-by-side = at least two ships can refuel at same time, and the number of fuel supply hoses can be more than one (2-4 and maybe 5) on each side of the ship each powered by its own fuel pump.
this resulted in more fuel and more vessels being refueled at shorter time
British practise was ship-after-ship (in fact they learned the US type refueling in 1944-1945 when they cooperated with TF38/58). There was only one fuel supply hose leading aft from tanker to the fore of the ship behind.
As japanese navy was in fact created on the British example, they should also use the ship-after-ship refueling( but I have not any direct informations, so it is only a hypothesis).
Also japanese limited numbers of AOs and fuel on hand can mean that IJN simply had worse AO/ships-to-refuel ratio than the USN.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:29 pm
by Cavalry Corp
Any news on Jap refits like Ise and also the CA upgrades will they be included
Some additional ships like Jap CL also carried mines will that be allowed
Will AA refits only be on certian dates or will players be able to purchase the refits as it were ??
Michael
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:29 pm
by Gunner98
May have missed this earlier but: Will CS convoys be able to pick up/deliver resources & oil instead of just supply & Fuel? Will you be able to have a CS convoy deliver resources and pick up supply for the return journy?
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:39 pm
by Cavalry Corp
OK I am going to ask this - Yamoto class ships
Will shinano be reworked so it can be completed ?
A BB
B SUPPORT CV
C Fleet Carrrier
Will the points make it realistic to complete for certain in RL the Japs thought it was worth completing ?
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:46 pm
by Barb
If someone is interested i can put up together some informations about British carriers operating in Indian ocean and their airgroups compositions and number of planes (mainly fighter squadrons) from some sources in time 9/1939-9/1943. I have an interesting books named "Palubní stíhači jeho veličenstva 1 , 2." (His majesty carrier fighter pilots vol 1. and vol 2.) written by Miroslav Šnajdr. Unfortunately i have not vol 3. (covering period 9/1943-9/1945).
It is known that in this time many british carriers used varying types and numbers of fighters (Martlets, Fulmars, Seahurricanes, Seafires).
Also will be the different deck-practise in RN and USN modelled? (I mean from the start of war British carriers carried such number of planes which can be carried in hangars. USN used also their flight deck for parking their aircrafts (some long landings resulted in planes crashing into the planes parked on fore fly-deck) such the US carriers carried more numerous groups. But RN begin to have few planes with tails over the water, and from 1944/1945 they also used the US deck-practise. Their capacity was still lower than of the US (Illustrious class with 45 planes, Indomitable with some 55, and Implacable class could have up to 70 planes) at the end of war.
I know that the actual numbers were different with each type of fighters carried as Martlets/Hellcats/Corsairs take less place than Seafires and SeaHurricanes.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:00 pm
by DuckofTindalos
ORIGINAL: Barb
If someone is interested i can put up together some informations about British carriers operating in Indian ocean and their airgroups compositions and number of planes (mainly fighter squadrons) from some sources in time 9/1939-9/1943. I have an interesting books named "Palubní stíhači jeho veličenstva 1 , 2." (His majesty carrier fighter pilots vol 1. and vol 2.) written by Miroslav Šnajdr. Unfortunately i have not vol 3. (covering period 9/1943-9/1945).
It is known that in this time many british carriers used varying types and numbers of fighters (Martlets, Fulmars, Seahurricanes, Seafires).
Also will be the different deck-practise in RN and USN modelled? (I mean from the start of war British carriers carried such number of planes which can be carried in hangars. USN used also their flight deck for parking their aircrafts (some long landings resulted in planes crashing into the planes parked on fore fly-deck) such the US carriers carried more numerous groups. But RN begin to have few planes with tails over the water, and from 1944/1945 they also used the US deck-practise. Their capacity was still lower than of the US (Illustrious class with 45 planes, Indomitable with some 55, and Implacable class could have up to 70 planes) at the end of war.
I know that the actual numbers were different with each type of fighters carried as Martlets/Hellcats/Corsairs take less place than Seafires and SeaHurricanes.
We have all this already, but thanks anyway. Oh, and the American aircraft took up considerably MORE room than the British fighter types.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:01 pm
by DuckofTindalos
ORIGINAL: cavalry
OK I am going to ask this - Yamoto class ships
Will shinano be reworked so it can be completed ?
A BB
B SUPPORT CV
C Fleet Carrrier
Will the points make it realistic to complete for certain in RL the Japs thought it was worth completing ?
It's been discussed, but shot down again. It's technically possible to do it with the new system, but the AI won't be able to.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:01 pm
by DuckofTindalos
ORIGINAL: cavalry
Any news on Jap refits like Ise and also the CA upgrades will they be included
Some additional ships like Jap CL also carried mines will that be allowed
Will AA refits only be on certian dates or will players be able to purchase the refits as it were ??
Michael
Yes, yes, and no.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:03 pm
by DuckofTindalos
ORIGINAL: Gunner98
May have missed this earlier but: Will CS convoys be able to pick up/deliver resources & oil instead of just supply & Fuel? Will you be able to have a CS convoy deliver resources and pick up supply for the return journy?
We're working on it.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:37 pm
by witpqs
ORIGINAL: Terminus
ORIGINAL: Gunner98
May have missed this earlier but: Will CS convoys be able to pick up/deliver resources & oil instead of just supply & Fuel? Will you be able to have a CS convoy deliver resources and pick up supply for the return journy?
We're working on it.
Being able to select what is carried on each leg (out and back) would be better than having to select from a preprogrammed pair. For example, maybe you want one set of AK's to carry supplies out and resources back, and other to carry fuel out and resources back (short on tankers).
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:18 pm
by Mike Scholl
ORIGINAL: Terminus
We have all this already, but thanks anyway. Oh, and the American aircraft took up considerably MORE room than the British fighter types.
You sure on this, Terminus? I thought the "folding capabilities" of the wings on British planes was quite limited compared to that of US models......
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:21 pm
by DuckofTindalos
ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl
ORIGINAL: Terminus
We have all this already, but thanks anyway. Oh, and the American aircraft took up considerably MORE room than the British fighter types.
You sure on this, Terminus? I thought the "folding capabilities" of the wings on British planes was quite limited compared to that of US models......
True, but overall, the American fighters were much larger. The reason the Implacables couldn't carry Corsairs was because they were too tall.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:40 pm
by spence
Not sure whether you have this or not. USS Yorktown was undergoing refit in Norfolk when the war began. Her LAA was changed over to 20mm at that time (pretty much the 4/42 refit). source: CV-5.org
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:46 pm
by Dixie
ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl
ORIGINAL: Terminus
We have all this already, but thanks anyway. Oh, and the American aircraft took up considerably MORE room than the British fighter types.
You sure on this, Terminus? I thought the "folding capabilities" of the wings on British planes was quite limited compared to that of US models......
US Fighters were generally larger in height, and as the armoured flight deck/hangers of the RN carriers resulted in a lower ceilinged space....
EDIT: The hanger deck of HMS Illustrious:
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:51 am
by herwin
ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl
ORIGINAL: Terminus
We have all this already, but thanks anyway. Oh, and the American aircraft took up considerably MORE room than the British fighter types.
You sure on this, Terminus? I thought the "folding capabilities" of the wings on British planes was quite limited compared to that of US models......
The spot size for the Grummans was very small--they took up about 60% of the space of an Avenger, SBD, Sea Hurricane, or Seafire, and about 75% of the space of an A6M.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:25 pm
by Dixie
ORIGINAL: Terminus
ORIGINAL: cavalry
OK I am going to ask this - Yamoto class ships
Will shinano be reworked so it can be completed ?
A BB
B SUPPORT CV
C Fleet Carrrier
Will the points make it realistic to complete for certain in RL the Japs thought it was worth completing ?
It's been discussed, but shot down again. It's technically possible to do it with the new system, but the AI won't be able to.
Am I correct in assuming that this could be managed by a modder in a similar way to the Flush Deck DDs?
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:30 pm
by DuckofTindalos
Yup, with the greatest of ease.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:36 pm
by Barb
Terminus:
Seafires and Seahurricanes had only their wingtips able to be tilt. This resulted in only Furious, Indomitable, Implacable and Indefatigable to operate Seafires in their hangars due to the size of the lift. Other carriers used Seafires only parked on deck with cantilevers until Seafire Mk.III (with wings folding between fuselage and cannons) came into service in may 1943.
Ilustrious class had only one hangar deck.
Indomitable had one and half hangar deck.
Implacables had two hangar decks with limited ceiling.
I once read somewhere that Corsairs could be operated from Implacables as well, but only with blown-out tyres (so it was little bit impractical) [:D]