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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

1) The Oahu CD is one LCU with, I think, the max number of kinds of devices spannning a huge range of size and capability.

Which makes me wonder if anyone has tried adjusting the CD unit itself? Perhaps those disparate devices would perform better if they weren't all grouped together?

Perhaps there is a shortage of slots, but if not, even as "chrome" it might be nice to see the various forts and batteries.

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

Bullwinkle,

The point I'm making is there are a certain category of units called "forts" or "fortresses" that have fixed guns in CD roles, and I'd expect they would have more advanced FC systems than the more mobile units have.  If it were possible to give those units with CD guns a firing bonus against invaders, it might help reduce the problem we're seeing right now.  If you disagree with this, then what is YOUR suggestion to try and fix this?

I'm simply saying that on a technical basis using the strings "fort" or "fortress", as found in the DB, to call a sub-routine doesn't necessarily lead one to a highly evolved, sea-side base hex. It can lead one to Dehli. Other bases which did have these defense features, like Oahu, aren't called either term in the DB and would miss having the sub-routine called. I was speaking to a technical, code-type issue with the suggestion.

If you sort the Artillery unit type (the yellow selections across the top of the Land Unit window) into Arty and CD unit types (left-most column), about 50% by eyeball are either forts or fortresses in the LCU name. Most are nothing like what you're suggesting. Some have no tube guns at all. I didn't realize this until I went digging into the list. CD units are the forgotten few in my games. Until this thread I had never really looked at TOEs, names, national differences, etc.

Over the course of a week plus on this, I've come to the conclusion that it's better to leave things alone and use HRs if one fears Japanese mischief. Overall, as others have siad, I think that an interesting game can be achieved if the Japanese player does try to take Oahu. He might not get it, he might get it with huge casualties, and then what does he do with it? If it's Jan or Feb 1942, the Allied player has ten months to act to prevent an auto-vicotry, and tying up 300+ plus ships on the eastern map has to mean the Japanese aren't doing something they ought to be doing elsewhere. It's a different kind of game, but still very interesting.

If that doesn't suit, HRs could run the gamut from "Attack no hex the RL Japanese didn't" to a mid-point where Oahu or other RL "fortresses" like Singapore by sea, might be attackable, but only with transport TF's totaling 30 ships (35, 40, 45 . . .) or less in the hex at once. This reduces the "offload wave" we've been discussing and gives the CD LCUs many kicks at different cats. If you can take PH after 8-9 days of continuous offloading, with Allied responses from the West Coast and interim land attacks by well-supplied American LCUs on Oahu while you build numbers and try to un-disrupt them, then I think you deserve to have it.

But the kind of changes being discussed, done to punish PBEM-only, early war exploits, risks really breaking the game later on, for the reasons I and others tried to outline. Eliminating the Japanese submarine doctrine toggle has had some consequences perhaps the devs didn't foresee, but it's the way things are. When you put that ahistorical truth up against an inflexible, finite Allied OOB, you have to be careful with any other fundamental changes you make to casualty-producing pieces of the model.

Bullwinkle,

I kind of doubt that anyone would need to worry about the Delhi fortress firing on an amphibious TF trying to unload troops.  If the fortresses don't have CD guns at all, then they don't get the bonus; how difficult is that?

"But the kind of changes being discussed, done to punish PBEM-only, early war exploits..."

Really?  It kind of breaks the realism for me, a non "PBEM-only" player, to know that if I were to play the Japanese I could invade Singapore, Bataan and Pearl Harbor with relative impunity early in the war.

Similarly, I see no reason to fear that enhancing dug in, fixed fortifications a defense bonus risks "breaking" the game later on for the Allies.  There's a reason why the Allies sent BB's along with invasion fleets, and also avoided the kinds of defenses found at Singapore and Bataan; they were tough to defeat and the risk of heavy damage was too high.  Now the game does not reflect that; just send a large invasion force to any base and you can take it with minimal casualties.

I see you believe there's no problem, which is not really a surprise since that's been your position all along.  I also remember you're arrogant enough to believe you're correct even when everyone else disagrees to you, so again, not really a surprise.  I see little reason to discuss this issue any longer with you.

ORIGINAL: Central Blue

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

1) The Oahu CD is one LCU with, I think, the max number of kinds of devices spannning a huge range of size and capability.

Which makes me wonder if anyone has tried adjusting the CD unit itself? Perhaps those disparate devices would perform better if they weren't all grouped together?

Perhaps there is a shortage of slots, but if not, even as "chrome" it might be nice to see the various forts and batteries.

Having multiple fixed CD units at Pearl Harbor seems to me to be as valid a suggestion as having two fixed positions at Sydney. Fort Kamehameha could be one, and a general "Oahu defense CD" could be another.

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

ORIGINAL: Central Blue

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

1) The Oahu CD is one LCU with, I think, the max number of kinds of devices spannning a huge range of size and capability.

Which makes me wonder if anyone has tried adjusting the CD unit itself? Perhaps those disparate devices would perform better if they weren't all grouped together?

Perhaps there is a shortage of slots, but if not, even as "chrome" it might be nice to see the various forts and batteries.

Having multiple fixed CD units at Pearl Harbor seems to me to be as valid a suggestion as having two fixed positions at Sydney. Fort Kamehameha could be one, and a general "Oahu defense CD" could be another.

I am going to fiddle around with a test change to Bataan and launch an invasion there. I'm not really up on slot rules, so I hope it will work. I will also assign competent commanders. Two versions: One with smaller units broken down according to Fort TOE's per Niehorster, and then a version grouped by gun type. Using Niehorster's more generous number will make the test more comparable to the Oahu CD unit.

ORIGINAL: John Lansford

Bullwinkle,

I kind of doubt that anyone would need to worry about the Delhi fortress firing on an amphibious TF trying to unload troops. If the fortresses don't have CD guns at all, then they don't get the bonus; how difficult is that?

Sigh. It's a CODE thing, OK? How does the game know it's a "CD gun"? Because it's in an LCU with a CD tag in the DB. And the Dehli, Bangalore, etc. bases HAVE CD LCUs. even though they're up to thousands of miles inland. The code is stupid; it does what it's told. If you institute any "CD bonus" CD LCUs are going to execute it.

"But the kind of changes being discussed, done to punish PBEM-only, early war exploits..."

Really? It kind of breaks the realism for me, a non "PBEM-only" player, to know that if I were to play the Japanese I could invade Singapore, Bataan and Pearl Harbor with relative impunity early in the war.

If it's a choice between your sense of realism and breaking my game on every amphib invasion I have to do to win, I'm going with my game. YMMV. If you're playing the Japanese against the Allied AI and you can't stop yourself from invading PH, you might need therapy more than you need code alterations.

Similarly, I see no reason to fear that enhancing dug in, fixed fortifications a defense bonus risks "breaking" the game later on for the Allies. There's a reason why the Allies sent BB's along with invasion fleets, and also avoided the kinds of defenses found at Singapore and Bataan; they were tough to defeat and the risk of heavy damage was too high. Now the game does not reflect that; just send a large invasion force to any base and you can take it with minimal casualties.

If you disagree with my analysis, fine. I've offered interim solutions. I also don't want the devs tied up on this for months when there are other enhancments that they could be working on. Again, to each his own.

I see you believe there's no problem, which is not really a surprise since that's been your position all along. I also remember you're arrogant enough to believe you're correct even when everyone else disagrees to you, so again, not really a surprise. I see little reason to discuss this issue any longer with you.

Clearly you haven't read the whole thread if you think everyone disagrees with me.

So you're going to take your ball and go home because we disagree. Whatever. As I said last week, the green button is there if you don't want to play.

Just be aware that splitting units into smaller ones (as being suggested by splitting the Oahu forts), increases their overall survivability.

Disruption, fatigue, morale etc degradation is applied to a unit, and if Big-Unit-1 is attacked and suffers 30% disruption, the aggregate affect is ~greater~ than if you have Sub-Unit-1a and Sub-Unit-1b. Only one of the sub-units will suffer the primary attack, and will suffer disruption.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing to split up the Oahu forts. But just be careful of too much of a good thing. When doing my Midway scenario for WitP, I had included as separate LCUs what amounted to a company of Raiders, and a understrength attachemnt of AAA (beyond the standard TOE of the USMC Def Btn). While it was historically accurate (as these were indeed separate formations, albeit understrength), the effect was that it made it extremely difficult to inflict casualties on the Midway garrison because the now there were 2x additional targets to absorb attacks.

-F-

Feinder,

I think, at least in respect to the Oahu defenses, that that's one of the conditions that made those coastal defenses so formidable.  They were spread out all over the southern half of the island, knocking one out really didn't affect the others, and the command/control was so dispersed it also would have been difficult to knock out.

Personally, I would separate the 'fixed' defenses (the 12" guns and mortars, the 14" and 16" guns plus the smaller 3" and 5" weapons) from the more mobile but still dedicated coast defense weapons (the 8" railroad guns, the 240mm howitzers, and the 155mm guns), mainly because the 'fixed' ones were at least partially hardened and more difficult to disable than the ones out in the open.

Well, I did a basic chrome style edit of Manila Bay/Bataan defenses by creating Forts Frank, Mills, Drum, and Hughes in the Bataan hex according to info at Coast Artillery Studies Group and The Fall of the Philippines, by Louis Morton. I gave them all good stock commanders and increased their prep points to 99 since they have been prepping since before WWI. I also modified the 4th Marines to more closely match D type TOE, rather than a reinforced RLT. Like I said, chrome.

Unfortunately, I don't have a place to stick the files where anyone else could get them to play around with it. I haven't played the Japanese in a long while, so I don't know how long it will take to generate an AAR. But If I understand the test, basically I need to load up a bunch of ships, assign some small escorts,and expect to sail in with ease. Given the paucity of ground forces in that hex to begin with, if the guns don't stop them, they'll be ashore with ease.

ORIGINAL: Central Blue

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

1) The Oahu CD is one LCU with, I think, the max number of kinds of devices spannning a huge range of size and capability.

Which makes me wonder if anyone has tried adjusting the CD unit itself? Perhaps those disparate devices would perform better if they weren't all grouped together?

Perhaps there is a shortage of slots, but if not, even as "chrome" it might be nice to see the various forts and batteries.

We experimented with this when first laying out the LCUs for AE. We also tried the other extreme (combining Harbor Defenses, HQs and permanent base forces into one massive blob.) It does make a difference -- it is easier to disrupt a bunch of guns in one CD unit then if they were spread out in several LCUs. But it wasn't seen as a huge issue at the time -- especially as we had to squeeze all the US LCUs into about 1,000 slots. We economized where we could.

But here the major issue -- if it is in fact representative of how CD guns normally engage their targets -- does not appear to be caused by excessive disruption. It appears that every CD gun fires simultaneously at the same target, until they run out of ammo. In the first post, we see that all 12 "batteries" (weapon slots) fired together at the same 9 ships. If each battery had engaged a separate target, there is a maximum possible 108 targets they could have engaged. Not all of them would have sunk, of course, but the Japanese would have taken a hard hit to their merchant marine in order to get ashore.

However, I am willing to bet that the simple change I described above would be devilishly difficult to code. And the unrealistic ability to swamp defenders (CD guns and ground units alike) by partially loading dozens or hundreds of ships so they can all unload simultaneously, is left over from WitP.

ORIGINAL: Central Blue

Well, I did a basic chrome style edit of Manila Bay/Bataan defenses by creating Forts Frank, Mills, Drum, and Hughes in the Bataan hex according to info at Coast Artillery Studies Group and The Fall of the Philippines, by Louis Morton. I gave them all good stock commanders and increased their prep points to 99 since they have been prepping since before WWI. I also modified the 4th Marines to more closely match D type TOE, rather than a reinforced RLT. Like I said, chrome.

That all looks excellent, except for the D-type TOE for the "Horse Marines". There was nothing standard about the 4th Marines in the PI. They were way understrength -- organized into two battalions (instead of three) each with two companies (ditto) of two platoons (ditto again). After the war began they were fleshed out with Marine base guards, sailors from the Cavite garrison, Army aviators and support personnel who no longer had planes to fly/support, and weaponless Anti-aircraft artillerymen (army and marine), until they had four battalions and were overstrength.

A historic note -- the 4th Marine Regiment was supposed to be in China. But for several months before Pearl Harbor, Admiral Hart was delaying all reinforcements in the PI, and refusing to send them forward to China, until eventually, there were more regimental marines in the PI than China! The US suceeded in evacuating most of the Marines from China to the PI before the war began, but ships to pick up the rest of the regiment were still enroute when the war began.

From Osperys Fortress series, I apoligise for the quality of the image, making it fir in my Picture hosting service degraded the quality of the image.

Realy Only the South Shore was covered to any apricable extent early on, the Blue arc's would the ones present at wars start the others were built during the war, and many never finished by wars end.

Nice map, Brady. Too bad they didn't put an overlay of the suitable landing beaches on it. I have a general idea, but it would be interesting to see what the military minds of the day considered to be the vulnerable beaches. 

hey BH,

I was in a bit of a hurry. I wasn't anymore wrong than what was there to begin with.

We experimented with this when first laying out the LCUs for AE. We also tried the other extreme (combining Harbor Defenses, HQs and permanent base forces into one massive blob.) It does make a difference -- it is easier to disrupt a bunch of guns in one CD unit then if they were spread out in several LCUs. But it wasn't seen as a huge issue at the time -- especially as we had to squeeze all the US LCUs into about 1,000 slots. We economized where we could.

I understand that. Everyone has their favorite unit that can't be left out.

And some folks (who are usually some sort of expert at something) have to play "user" during testing, and then the real users get a hold of it.

And it won't be me refereeing the wrassling match between the folks that program and the folks that build the OOB's and TOE's and the folks that communicate to the buyers. [:)] And since no one is likely to ask my opinion on resolving that thorny issue of the age, I'll just keep my opinions to myself. [;)]

Anyway, the AAR follows for the "chrome" version. I can't say I put a lot of energy into either side as a player. I put some planes on search for the Allies and sent out expendable surface units; and for the Japanese, I gathered up a bunch of already formed convoys and assorted TF's, and voila...

I was not able to form a TF bigger than 100 ships. Did I see a claim about 300-350? Well, maybe I did something "wrong." But, on the other hand, I heard that it was so easy that nothing short of re-coding could fix the issues.

The second test would allocate guns by similar type.

Can we say: "Shot to pieces ma?"

Will they take Bataan. Yeah. But at What cost?


TF 95 encounters mine field at Bataan (78,77) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

1 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
DMS W-4, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK Sagami Maru, Mine hits 1
AK Sado Maru, Mine hits 1, on fire
xAK Ryoyo Maru, Mine hits 1
AK Kyushu Maru, Mine hits 1, on fire

Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)



Fort Drum firing at DMS W-4
Fort Drum firing at DMS W-4
21 mines cleared


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Bataan at 78,77, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Yamagumo
DD Harukaze
DD Tachikaze
APD Shimakaze
APD Nadakaze
APD Aoi
APD Fuji
AMc Wa 19
PB Aso Maru #3
PB Eiko Maru
PB Kamitsu Maru
SC Ch 1
SC Ch 2
SC Ch 3
SC Ch 4
SC Ch 5
SC Ch 6
SC Ch 10
SC Ch 11
SC Ch 13
SC Ch 14
SC Ch 15
AV Sagara Maru
AV Sanuki Maru
xAK Brisbane Maru
xAK Sydney Maru
xAK Hawaii Maru
xAK Arizona Maru
xAK Anyo Maru
xAK Akiura Maru
xAK Kazuura Maru
xAK Kumagawa Maru
xAK Keiyo Maru
xAK Tatukami Maru
xAK Okiyu Maru
xAK Kosei Maru
xAK Kotoku Maru
xAK Sanko Maru
xAK Keisho Maru
xAK Matsukawa Maru
xAK Syoka Maru
xAK Takao Maru
xAK Hokuan Maru
xAK Maya Maru
xAK Takaoka Maru
xAK Atlas Maru
xAK Kamoi Maru
xAK Shinyubari Maru
xAK Bunzan Maru
xAK Shirogane Maru
xAK Shinko Maru
xAK Tenzan Maru
xAK Yamadori Maru
xAK Ohio Maru
xAK Pacific Maru
xAK Hokko Maru

Allied Ships
AM Finch
AM Bittern
AM Tanager
AM Quail



Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 17% moonlight: 7,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
Range increases to 12,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat


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TF 105 encounters mine field at Bataan (78,77) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

1 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
AMc Wa 19, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PB Aso Maru #3, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
xAK Shinko Maru, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Fort Drum firing at AMc Wa 19
15 mines cleared


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Bataan at 78,77, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Naka
DD Natsugumo
DD Minegumo
DD Asagumo
DD Murasame
DD Harusame
DD Yudachi
DD Samidare

Allied Ships
AM Finch, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
AM Bittern, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
AM Tanager, Shell hits 3, on fire
AM Quail, Shell hits 12, and is sunk



Reduced sighting due to 17% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 17% moonlight: 8,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 8,000 yards
Japanese open fire on surprised Allied ships at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
CL Naka engages AM Quail at 7,000 yards
DD Samidare engages AM Quail at 7,000 yards
DD Harusame engages AM Quail at 7,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages AM Quail at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
CL Naka engages AM Quail at 5,000 yards
DD Samidare engages AM Quail at 5,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages AM Bittern at 5,000 yards
DD Harusame engages AM Finch at 5,000 yards
DD Murasame engages AM Quail at 5,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages AM Quail at 5,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
AM Quail sunk by CL Naka at 4,000 yards
DD Samidare engages AM Bittern at 4,000 yards
CL Naka engages AM Bittern at 4,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages AM Bittern at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 5,000 yards
CL Naka engages AM Tanager at 5,000 yards
CL Naka engages AM Bittern at 5,000 yards
CL Naka engages AM Finch at 5,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages AM Bittern at 5,000 yards
AM Bittern sunk by DD Natsugumo at 5,000 yards
CL Naka engages AM Tanager at 5,000 yards
DD Samidare engages AM Finch at 5,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
DD Samidare engages AM Tanager at 7,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages AM Tanager at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
CL Naka engages AM Tanager at 8,000 yards
CL Naka engages AM Finch at 8,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages AM Finch at 8,000 yards
CL Naka engages AM Tanager at 8,000 yards
CL Naka engages AM Finch at 8,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages AM Finch at 8,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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TF 12 encounters mine field at Bataan (78,77)

Japanese Ships
DD Harusame
DD Murasame
DD Asagumo
DD Yudachi
DD Natsugumo



8 mines cleared


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TF 88 encounters mine field at Bataan (78,77) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

23 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
DMS W-10, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DMS W-9, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC Ch 12, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage



Fort Drum firing at DMS W-10
Fort Drum firing at DMS W-9
39 mines cleared


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TF 95 encounters mine field at Bataan (78,77)

Japanese Ships
TB Hatsukari
PB Kyo Maru #12
PB Nanpo Maru
PB Kiso Maru
xAK Enju Maru, Mine hits 1



6 mines cleared


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Pre-Invasion action off Bataan

60 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAKL Kumakawa Maru, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
PB Taiko Maru
TB Kasasagi
xAKL Meiko Maru, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
TB Tomozuru
PB Kyo Maru #13, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
PB Kyo Maru #12, Shell hits 5, heavy damage
PB Nanpo Maru
PB Kiso Maru

Japanese ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)



14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Kumakawa Maru at 12,000 yards
TB Kasasagi fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Meiko Maru at 12,000 yards
TB Kasasagi fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Kumakawa Maru at 12,000 yards
TB Kasasagi fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Meiko Maru at 12,000 yards
TB Kasasagi fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
TB Kasasagi firing at enemy guns
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging TB Kasasagi at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging TB Kasasagi at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging TB Kasasagi at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging TB Kasasagi at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging TB Kasasagi at 2,000 yards
TB Tomozuru firing at enemy troops
PB Kyo Maru #13 firing at enemy troops
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #13 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #13 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #13 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #13 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #13 at 2,000 yards
PB Kyo Maru #12 firing at enemy troops
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #12 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #12 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #12 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #12 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #12 at 2,000 yards
PB Taiko Maru firing at enemy troops
PB Nanpo Maru firing at enemy troops
PB Kiso Maru firing at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft


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Amphibious Assault at Bataan

TF 95 troops unloading over beach at Bataan, 78,77

Japanese ground losses:
1006 casualties reported
Squads: 27 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 35 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 7 (7 destroyed, 0 disabled)



19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 56th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 56th Infantry Rgt /2
Motorized Support dropped into water during unload of 25th Army /3
17 troops of a IJA Motorized Squad lost overboard during unload of 5th Recon Rgt /1
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 21st Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 21st Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 21st Infantry Rgt
70mm T92 Howitzer dropped into water during unload of 21st Infantry Rgt
70mm T92 Howitzer accidentally lost during unload of 21st Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 21st Infantry Rgt
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 21st Infantry Rgt
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 21st Infantry Rgt
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 21st Infantry Rgt
17 troops of a SNLF Squad accidentally lost during unload of 16th Nav Gd
8 Engineers accidentally lost during unload of 4th Ind. Engr Rgt
17 troops of a SNLF Squad accidentally lost during unload of 15th Nav Gd /2
Motorized Support lost from landing craft during unload of 18th JAAF Base Force
18 troops of a IJA Engineer Squad lost in surf during unload of 5th Engr Rgt
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 84th JAAF AF Bn
Type 97 Medium Tank damaged beyond repair during unload of 1st Tank Rgt
20 troops of a IJA HMG Squad accidentally lost during unload of I./143rd Infantry Bn
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of I./143rd Infantry Bn
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of I./143rd Infantry Bn
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 21st Ind. Engr Rgt
8 Engineers lost in surf during unload of 21st Ind. Engr Rgt
17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 16th Nav Gd /3
17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost in surf during unload of 15th Nav Gd /3
Motorized Support lost in surf during unload of 25th Army
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 25th Army
8 Engineers accidentally lost during unload of 15th Ind. Engr Rgt
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of II./143rd Infantry Bn
8 Engineers lost from landing craft during unload of 7th Field AF Const Bn
8 Naval Support troops lost overboard during unload of 11th Shipping Engr Rgt
8 Naval Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 11th Shipping Engr Rgt
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of III./143rd Infantry Bn
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of III./143rd Infantry Bn
8 Engineers lost from landing craft during unload of 4th Ind. Engr Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 11th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 11th Infantry Rgt
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 15th Ind. Engr Rgt /2
8 Engineers lost overboard during unload of 15th Ind. Engr Rgt /2
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 23rd Ind. Engr Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 55th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 55th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 55th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 55th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 55th Infantry Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 55th Infantry Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 55th Infantry Rgt /2
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 55th Infantry Rgt /2
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 55th Infantry Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 11th Infantry Rgt /2
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 11th Infantry Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 41st Infantry Rgt
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 41st Infantry Rgt
Motorized Support accidentally lost during unload of 5th Recon Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 11th Infantry Rgt /3
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 41st Infantry Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 41st Infantry Rgt /2
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 41st Infantry Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt /2
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt /2
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 114th Infantry Rgt /2
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 21st Infantry Rgt /2
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 53rd Const Co
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 21st Infantry Rgt /3
17 troops of a SNLF Squad accidentally lost during unload of 15th Nav Gd
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 15th Nav Gd
8 Aviation Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 18th JAAF Base Force /1


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Pre-Invasion action off Bataan - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

108 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
DD Harukaze
xAKL Kurama Maru, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AV Sanuki Maru
DD Yamagumo
xAKL Kembu Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
PB Kamitsu Maru, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Eiko Maru
SC Ch 15
SC Ch 14
SC Ch 13
SC Ch 11
SC Ch 10
SC Ch 6, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
SC Ch 5
SC Ch 4
SC Ch 3
SC Ch 2
SC Ch 1, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled



DD Harukaze firing at Fort Mills
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Kurama Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Yamagumo fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Kembu Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Yamagumo fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Kurama Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Yamagumo fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Kurama Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Yamagumo fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
PB Kamitsu Maru firing at enemy guns
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kamitsu Maru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kamitsu Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kamitsu Maru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kamitsu Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Kamitsu Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Eiko Maru firing at enemy troops
SC Ch 15 firing at enemy troops
SC Ch 14 firing at enemy troops
SC Ch 13 firing at enemy troops
SC Ch 11 firing at enemy troops
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 11 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 11 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 11 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 11 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 11 at 2,000 yards
SC Ch 10 firing at enemy guns
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 10 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 10 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 10 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 10 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 10 at 2,000 yards
SC Ch 6 firing at enemy guns
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 6 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 6 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 6 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 6 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 6 at 2,000 yards
SC Ch 5 firing at enemy troops
SC Ch 4 firing at enemy troops
SC Ch 3 firing at enemy guns
SC Ch 2 firing at enemy guns
SC Ch 1 firing at enemy troops
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 1 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 1 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 1 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 1 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 1 at 2,000 yards
DD Harukaze firing at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft


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Amphibious Assault at Bataan

TF 105 troops unloading over beach at Bataan, 78,77

Japanese ground losses:
144 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)



20 troops of a IJA HMG Squad lost from landing craft during unload of Kanno Det
20 troops of a IJA HMG Squad lost from landing craft during unload of Kanno Det
17 troops of a SNLF Squad accidentally lost during unload of 91st Nav Gd
17 troops of a SNLF Squad accidentally lost during unload of 91st Nav Gd /3
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of Tanaka Det
8 Engineers lost overboard during unload of 3rd Engineer Const Bn
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 9th Field AF Const Bn
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 21st Ind. Engr Rgt /2
Motorized Support lost in surf during unload of 14th Army
Motorized Support lost in surf during unload of 14th Army
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 14th Army /2
Motorized Support damaged beyond repair during unload of 14th Army /3
8 Engineers lost in surf during unload of 40th JAAF AF Bn /2
8 Engineers accidentally lost during unload of 3rd Engineer Const Bn /2
8 Aviation Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 40th JAAF AF Bn /3
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of Tanaka Det /2
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of Tanaka Det /2
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 28th JAAF AF Bn
7.7mm T99 AAMG damaged beyond repair during unload of 28th JAAF AF Bn


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Invasion Support action off Bataan

82 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAKL Kumakawa Maru, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Taiko Maru, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
TB Kasasagi
xAKL Ryoyu Maru #21, Shell hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Meiko Maru, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Nanpo Maru, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Kiso Maru, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage
CM Tsubame

Japanese ground losses:
166 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Kumakawa Maru at 12,000 yards
TB Kasasagi fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Ryoyu Maru #21 at 12,000 yards
TB Kasasagi fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Kumakawa Maru at 12,000 yards
TB Kasasagi fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Meiko Maru at 12,000 yards
TB Kasasagi fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
PB Taiko Maru firing at enemy guns
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Taiko Maru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Taiko Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Taiko Maru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Taiko Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Taiko Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Nanpo Maru firing at enemy troops
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nanpo Maru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nanpo Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nanpo Maru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nanpo Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Nanpo Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Kiso Maru firing at enemy guns
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kiso Maru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kiso Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kiso Maru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kiso Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Kiso Maru at 2,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft


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Invasion Support action off Bataan - Coastal Guns Fire Back!
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

82 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
DD Yamagumo
xAKL Kiko Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AV Sanuki Maru
xAK Brisbane Maru, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Anbo Maru, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC Ch 15, Shell hits 3, heavy damage
SC Ch 14
SC Ch 13
SC Ch 11
SC Ch 10
SC Ch 5, Shell hits 5, heavy damage
SC Ch 4, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC Ch 3, Shell hits 3, heavy damage
SC Ch 2



DD Yamagumo firing at Fort Drum
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Kiko Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Yamagumo fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging xAK Brisbane Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Yamagumo fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Kiko Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Yamagumo fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Anbo Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Yamagumo fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
SC Ch 15 firing at enemy troops
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 15 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 15 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 15 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 15 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 15 at 2,000 yards
SC Ch 14 firing at enemy troops
SC Ch 13 firing at enemy troops
SC Ch 11 firing at enemy troops
SC Ch 10 firing at enemy troops
SC Ch 5 firing at enemy guns
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 5 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 5 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 5 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 5 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 5 at 2,000 yards
SC Ch 4 firing at enemy guns
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 4 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 4 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 4 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 4 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 4 at 2,000 yards
SC Ch 3 firing at enemy guns
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 3 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 3 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 3 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 3 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 3 at 2,000 yards
SC Ch 2 firing at enemy guns


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Naval Gun Fire at Bataan - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

81 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
CL Natori, Shell hits 6, Mine hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Hatakaze, Shell hits 1, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Nagatsuki, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Fumizuki, Shell hits 1, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Minazuki, Shell hits 3, Mine hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Satsuki



Fort Drum firing at CL Natori
Fort Drum firing at DD Hatakaze
Fort Drum firing at DD Nagatsuki
Fort Drum firing at DD Fumizuki
Fort Drum firing at DD Minazuki
Fort Drum firing at DD Satsuki


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TF 14 encounters mine field at Bataan (78,77)

Japanese Ships
DD Hatakaze, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Fumizuki, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Minazuki, Mine hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Natori, Mine hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Nagatsuki, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Satsuki



7 mines cleared


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Bataan at 78,77, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
APD Hagi
TB Chidori
TB Manazuru
TB Hatsukari
TB Tomozuru
TB Kasasagi
PB Kiso Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Nanpo Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Taiko Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage
CM Tsubame
PB Kyo Maru #12, heavy damage
PB Kyo Maru #13, on fire, heavy damage
AK Hirokawa Maru
AK Sado Maru, on fire
AK Sagami Maru
AK Sakura Maru
AK Sasako Maru
AK Kinka Maru
AK Kyushu Maru
AK Tosan Maru
xAK Arima Maru
xAK Ayatosan Maru
xAK Kansai Maru
xAK Kashii Maru
xAK Nankai Maru
xAK Aobasan Maru
xAK Asosan Maru
xAK Asakasan Maru
xAK Atutasan Maru
xAK Kinugawa Maru
xAK Kenyo Maru
xAK Kogyo Maru
xAK Tatutaki Maru
xAK Teiyo Maru
xAK Tatumiya Maru
xAK Zenyo Maru
xAK Nagara Maru
xAK Nako Maru
xAK Naruto Maru
xAK Noto Maru
xAK Nissyu Maru
xAK Johore Maru
xAK Mogamigawa Maru
xAK Koryu Maru
xAK Fushimi Maru
xAK Toho Maru
xAK Kokai Maru
xAK Osaka Maru
xAK Sydney Maru #2
xAK Rokko Maru
xAK Atago Maru
xAK Meiyo Maru
xAK Santos Maru
xAK Karachi Maru
xAK Kuwayama Maru
xAK Siraha Maru
xAK Syoto Maru

Allied Ships
PT-33
PT-41
PT Q-111



Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range increases to 18,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Bataan at 78,77, Range 20,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Naka
DD Natsugumo, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Minegumo
DD Asagumo, Shell hits 2
DD Murasame
DD Harusame
DD Yudachi, Shell hits 1
DD Samidare, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD John D. Ford, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Peary, Shell hits 4, heavy fires
DD Pillsbury, Shell hits 3, heavy fires
DD Pope, Shell hits 19, and is sunk



Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 20,000 yards
Nishimura, Teiji crosses the 'T'
DD Harusame engages DD Pillsbury at 20,000 yards
DD Murasame engages DD Pillsbury at 20,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Asagumo at 20,000 yards
DD Pillsbury engages DD Minegumo at 20,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages DD Pillsbury at 20,000 yards
Range closes to 15,000 yards
CL Naka engages DD Pope at 15,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages DD Pillsbury at 15,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages DD Pillsbury at 15,000 yards
DD Harusame engages DD John D. Ford at 15,000 yards
DD Murasame engages DD Pillsbury at 15,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages DD Pope at 15,000 yards
DD Pillsbury engages DD Minegumo at 15,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages DD Pillsbury at 15,000 yards
Range closes to 13,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages DD Pope at 13,000 yards
DD Pillsbury engages DD Samidare at 13,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Yudachi at 13,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages DD John D. Ford at 13,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Murasame at 13,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages DD Peary at 13,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages DD Peary at 13,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages DD Peary at 13,000 yards
Range increases to 14,000 yards
CL Naka engages DD Pope at 14,000 yards
DD Samidare engages DD John D. Ford at 14,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages DD Pillsbury at 14,000 yards
DD Harusame engages DD Peary at 14,000 yards
DD Pillsbury engages DD Murasame at 14,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages DD Pillsbury at 14,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages DD John D. Ford at 14,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages DD Pillsbury at 14,000 yards
Range closes to 13,000 yards
CL Naka engages DD Pope at 13,000 yards
DD Samidare engages DD Pillsbury at 13,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages DD Peary at 13,000 yards
DD John D. Ford engages DD Yudachi at 13,000 yards
DD Murasame engages DD Pope at 13,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages DD Pillsbury at 13,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages DD John D. Ford at 13,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages DD Pillsbury at 13,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
DD Pope engages CL Naka at 9,000 yards
DD Samidare engages DD John D. Ford at 9,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Yudachi at 9,000 yards
DD John D. Ford engages DD Natsugumo at 9,000 yards
DD Murasame engages DD Pillsbury at 9,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages DD Peary at 9,000 yards
DD Pillsbury engages DD Natsugumo at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
CL Naka engages DD Pope at 11,000 yards
DD Samidare engages DD Pillsbury at 11,000 yards
DD Pillsbury engages DD Yudachi at 11,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages DD John D. Ford at 11,000 yards
DD John D. Ford engages DD Murasame at 11,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages DD Pillsbury at 11,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages DD John D. Ford at 11,000 yards
DD John D. Ford engages DD Natsugumo at 11,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
DD Samidare engages DD Pope at 12,000 yards
DD Harusame engages DD Pillsbury at 12,000 yards
DD Harusame engages DD John D. Ford at 12,000 yards
DD Murasame engages DD Peary at 12,000 yards
DD Pillsbury engages DD Asagumo at 12,000 yards
DD Pillsbury engages DD Natsugumo at 12,000 yards
CL Naka engages DD Pope at 12,000 yards
DD Harusame engages DD Pillsbury at 12,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Asagumo at 12,000 yards
DD John D. Ford engages DD Natsugumo at 12,000 yards
DD Murasame engages DD John D. Ford at 12,000 yards
DD John D. Ford engages DD Asagumo at 12,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages DD Peary at 12,000 yards
DD John D. Ford engages DD Natsugumo at 12,000 yards
Musak, F.V. orders Allied TF to disengage
Range closes to 9,000 yards
DD Pope engages DD Asagumo at 9,000 yards
DD Pillsbury engages DD Samidare at 9,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Yudachi at 9,000 yards
DD Murasame engages DD John D. Ford at 9,000 yards
DD Murasame engages DD Pillsbury at 9,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages DD Pope at 9,000 yards
DD Pope engages DD Minegumo at 9,000 yards
DD John D. Ford engages DD Natsugumo at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages DD Pope at 11,000 yards
DD Pillsbury engages DD Yudachi at 11,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Asagumo at 11,000 yards
DD John D. Ford engages DD Harusame at 11,000 yards
DD Murasame engages DD John D. Ford at 11,000 yards
DD John D. Ford engages DD Asagumo at 11,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages DD Peary at 11,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages DD John D. Ford at 11,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages DD Pope at 9,000 yards
DD Samidare engages DD Peary at 9,000 yards
DD Harusame engages DD Peary at 9,000 yards
DD Harusame engages DD John D. Ford at 9,000 yards
DD Murasame engages DD Peary at 9,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages DD Peary at 9,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages DD Pope at 9,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages DD John D. Ford at 9,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
CL Naka engages DD Pillsbury at 10,000 yards
DD Pillsbury engages DD Murasame at 10,000 yards
DD Murasame engages DD Peary at 10,000 yards
DD Harusame engages DD Pope at 10,000 yards
DD Murasame engages DD John D. Ford at 10,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages DD Peary at 10,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages DD Pillsbury at 10,000 yards
DD Pope engages DD Natsugumo at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
DD Pope sunk by DD Harusame at 8,000 yards
DD Pillsbury engages DD Samidare at 8,000 yards
DD Harusame engages DD Peary at 8,000 yards
DD John D. Ford engages DD Yudachi at 8,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages DD Peary at 8,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages DD Pillsbury at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 12,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages DD Pillsbury at 12,000 yards
DD Samidare engages DD Peary at 12,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages DD Peary at 12,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Harusame at 12,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Asagumo at 12,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages DD Peary at 12,000 yards
Range increases to 18,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages DD Pillsbury at 18,000 yards
DD Samidare engages DD Peary at 18,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages DD John D. Ford at 18,000 yards
DD Harusame engages DD Pillsbury at 18,000 yards
DD Peary engages DD Minegumo at 18,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages DD John D. Ford at 18,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Bataan at 78,77, Range 15,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Naka, Shell hits 1
DD Natsugumo, heavy fires
DD Minegumo, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Asagumo, Shell hits 1
DD Murasame
DD Harusame
DD Yudachi
DD Samidare

Allied Ships
PG Isabel, Shell hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
PG Asheville, Shell hits 21, and is sunk
PG Tulsa, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
AVD Childs, Shell hits 19, heavy fires, heavy damage
AM Lark, Shell hits 4, on fire
AM Whippoorwill, Shell hits 7, and is sunk



Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 15,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 15,000 yards
DD Samidare engages PG Asheville at 15,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages PG Asheville at 15,000 yards
DD Harusame engages PG Asheville at 15,000 yards
CL Naka engages AVD Childs at 15,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages PG Asheville at 15,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages AVD Childs at 15,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
CL Naka engages PG Asheville at 9,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages PG Isabel at 9,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages AM Whippoorwill at 9,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages PG Isabel at 9,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages PG Isabel at 9,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
CL Naka engages PG Tulsa at 7,000 yards
CL Naka engages PG Asheville at 7,000 yards
CL Naka engages PG Isabel at 7,000 yards
CL Naka engages AM Whippoorwill at 7,000 yards
DD Murasame engages AVD Childs at 7,000 yards
CL Naka engages AVD Childs at 7,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages AVD Childs at 7,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages AVD Childs at 7,000 yards
CL Naka engages PG Tulsa at 7,000 yards
CL Naka engages PG Asheville at 7,000 yards
CL Naka engages PG Isabel at 7,000 yards
DD Murasame engages PG Tulsa at 7,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages PG Asheville at 7,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages AVD Childs at 7,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages PG Asheville at 7,000 yards
Abbate, F.K. orders Allied TF to disengage
PG Asheville sunk by CL Naka at 7,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages PG Tulsa at 7,000 yards
CL Naka engages AM Whippoorwill at 7,000 yards
CL Naka engages AVD Childs at 7,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages PG Tulsa at 7,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages PG Isabel at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
CL Naka engages AVD Childs at 5,000 yards
DD Samidare engages AVD Childs at 5,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages AVD Childs at 5,000 yards
CL Naka engages AM Lark at 5,000 yards
CL Naka engages AVD Childs at 5,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages AVD Childs at 5,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages AVD Childs at 5,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages PG Tulsa at 5,000 yards
Range increases to 6,000 yards
CL Naka engages AVD Childs at 6,000 yards
DD Samidare engages AVD Childs at 6,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages PG Tulsa at 6,000 yards
DD Harusame engages AM Lark at 6,000 yards
DD Murasame engages PG Tulsa at 6,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages PG Tulsa at 6,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages AVD Childs at 6,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages PG Tulsa at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
PG Tulsa sunk by CL Naka at 5,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages AM Whippoorwill at 5,000 yards
DD Harusame engages AM Lark at 5,000 yards
AM Whippoorwill sunk by DD Asagumo at 5,000 yards
Nishimura, Teiji orders Japanese TF to disengage
Range increases to 6,000 yards
CL Naka engages PG Isabel at 6,000 yards
DD Samidare engages AVD Childs at 6,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages AVD Childs at 6,000 yards
DD Harusame engages AVD Childs at 6,000 yards
DD Murasame engages AVD Childs at 6,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages AM Lark at 6,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages AVD Childs at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
CL Naka engages AM Lark at 11,000 yards
DD Yudachi engages AVD Childs at 11,000 yards
DD Harusame engages AM Lark at 11,000 yards
DD Murasame engages PG Isabel at 11,000 yards
DD Asagumo engages AM Lark at 11,000 yards
DD Minegumo engages AVD Childs at 11,000 yards
DD Natsugumo engages AVD Childs at 11,000 yards
Range increases to 15,000 yards
DD Samidare engages AVD Childs at 15,000 yards
DD Harusame engages AVD Childs at 15,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Bataan at 78,77, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
APD Hagi
TB Chidori
TB Manazuru
TB Hatsukari
TB Tomozuru
TB Kasasagi
PB Kiso Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Nanpo Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Taiko Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage
CM Tsubame
PB Kyo Maru #12, heavy damage
PB Kyo Maru #13, on fire, heavy damage
AK Hirokawa Maru
AK Sado Maru, on fire
AK Sagami Maru
AK Sakura Maru
AK Sasako Maru
AK Kinka Maru
AK Kyushu Maru
AK Tosan Maru
xAK Arima Maru
xAK Ayatosan Maru
xAK Kansai Maru
xAK Kashii Maru
xAK Nankai Maru
xAK Aobasan Maru
xAK Asosan Maru
xAK Asakasan Maru
xAK Atutasan Maru
xAK Kinugawa Maru
xAK Kenyo Maru
xAK Kogyo Maru
xAK Tatutaki Maru
xAK Teiyo Maru
xAK Tatumiya Maru
xAK Zenyo Maru
xAK Nagara Maru
xAK Nako Maru
xAK Naruto Maru
xAK Noto Maru
xAK Nissyu Maru
xAK Johore Maru
xAK Mogamigawa Maru
xAK Koryu Maru
xAK Fushimi Maru
xAK Toho Maru
xAK Kokai Maru
xAK Osaka Maru
xAK Sydney Maru #2
xAK Rokko Maru
xAK Atago Maru
xAK Meiyo Maru
xAK Santos Maru
xAK Karachi Maru
xAK Kuwayama Maru
xAK Siraha Maru
xAK Syoto Maru
xAK Ryoyo Maru
xAK Nanko Maru

Allied Ships
AM Tanager



Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 18,000 yards
Japanese ships attempt to get underway
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 18,000 yards
Both TF attempt to withdraw!
Range increases to 18,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Bataan at 78,77, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
APD Hagi
TB Chidori
TB Manazuru
TB Hatsukari
TB Tomozuru
TB Kasasagi
PB Kiso Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Nanpo Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Taiko Maru, heavy fires, heavy damage
CM Tsubame
PB Kyo Maru #12, heavy damage
PB Kyo Maru #13, on fire, heavy damage
AK Hirokawa Maru
AK Sado Maru, on fire
AK Sagami Maru
AK Sakura Maru
AK Sasako Maru
AK Kinka Maru
AK Kyushu Maru
AK Tosan Maru
xAK Arima Maru
xAK Ayatosan Maru
xAK Kansai Maru
xAK Kashii Maru
xAK Nankai Maru
xAK Aobasan Maru
xAK Asosan Maru
xAK Asakasan Maru
xAK Atutasan Maru
xAK Kinugawa Maru
xAK Kenyo Maru
xAK Kogyo Maru
xAK Tatutaki Maru
xAK Teiyo Maru
xAK Tatumiya Maru
xAK Zenyo Maru
xAK Nagara Maru
xAK Nako Maru
xAK Naruto Maru
xAK Noto Maru
xAK Nissyu Maru
xAK Johore Maru
xAK Mogamigawa Maru
xAK Koryu Maru
xAK Fushimi Maru
xAK Toho Maru
xAK Kokai Maru
xAK Osaka Maru
xAK Sydney Maru #2
xAK Rokko Maru
xAK Atago Maru
xAK Meiyo Maru
xAK Santos Maru
xAK Karachi Maru
xAK Kuwayama Maru
xAK Siraha Maru
xAK Syoto Maru
xAK Ryoyo Maru
xAK Nanko Maru

Allied Ships
AM Tanager



Allied Ships Reported to be Approaching!
Japanese TF suspends unloading operations and begins to get underway
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions: 20,000 yards
Range increases to 18,000 yards...
Both Task Forces evade combat

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Invasion Support action off Bataan
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

45 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAKL Sasago Maru, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
TB Kasasagi
xAKL Hanakawa Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAKL Yoshinogawa Maru
TB Tomozuru
TB Hatsukari
TB Manazuru
TB Chidori, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD Hagi



14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Sasago Maru at 12,000 yards
TB Kasasagi fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Sasago Maru at 12,000 yards
TB Kasasagi fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Hanakawa Maru at 12,000 yards
TB Kasasagi fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Yoshinogawa Maru at 12,000 yards
TB Kasasagi fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
TB Kasasagi firing at enemy troops
TB Tomozuru firing at enemy troops
TB Hatsukari firing at enemy guns
TB Manazuru firing at enemy troops
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging TB Manazuru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging TB Manazuru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging TB Manazuru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging TB Manazuru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging TB Manazuru at 2,000 yards
TB Chidori firing at enemy guns
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging TB Chidori at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging TB Chidori at 2,000 yards
155mm M1918 GPF Coastal Battery engaging TB Chidori at 2,000 yards
APD Hagi firing at enemy troops


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Invasion Support action off Bataan
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

38 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
xAK Hawaii Maru, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
AV Sanuki Maru
DD Yamagumo
xAK Anyo Maru, Shell hits 3
SC Ch 14, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
SC Ch 13
SC Ch 11, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC Ch 10
SC Ch 2



14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAK Hawaii Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Yamagumo fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAK Anyo Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Yamagumo fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAK Hawaii Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Yamagumo fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAK Hawaii Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Yamagumo fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
SC Ch 14 firing at enemy troops
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 14 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 14 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 14 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 14 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 14 at 2,000 yards
SC Ch 13 firing at enemy guns
SC Ch 11 firing at enemy troops
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 11 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 11 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 11 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 11 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging SC Ch 11 at 2,000 yards
SC Ch 10 firing at enemy troops
SC Ch 2 firing at enemy guns


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Ground combat at Bataan (78,77)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8044 troops, 354 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 309

Defending force 65834 troops, 636 guns, 580 vehicles, Assault Value = 1727

Japanese ground losses:
267 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (0 destroyed, 5 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 3 (0 destroyed, 3 disabled)


Assaulting units:
Fort Mills
31st Infantry Regiment
1st/45th PS Inf Battalion
4th Marine Regiment
Fort Hughes
Fort Frank
Fort Drum
Bataan USN Base Force
803rd Engineer Aviation Battalion

Defending units:
Kanno Det /1
41st Infantry Rgt /1
21st Infantry Rgt /1
56th Infantry Rgt /1
11th Infantry Rgt /1
I./124th Infantry Bn /4
12th Engr Rgt /1
Tanaka Det /1
15th Ind. Engr Rgt /1
5th Recon Rgt /2
4th Ind. Engr Rgt /1
23rd Ind. Engr Rgt /1
16th Nav Gd /2
I./143rd Infantry Bn /1
Sasebo 1st SNLF /3
21st Ind. Engr Rgt /1
5th Engr Rgt /1
55th Infantry Rgt /1
114th Infantry Rgt /1
42nd Infantry Rgt /1
91st Nav Gd /1
II./143rd Infantry Bn /1
3rd Ind. Engr Rgt /1
15th Nav Gd /1
1st Tank Rgt /1
III./143rd Infantry Bn /1
28th JAAF AF Bn /1
5th Field AF Const Bn /1
34th Fld AA Bn /1
53rd Const Co /1
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Bn /1
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Bn /1
9th Field AF Const Bn /1
7th Field AF Const Bn /1
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Bn /1
18th JAAF Base Force /3
3rd Engineer Const Bn /1
18th Medium FA Rgt /1
84th JAAF AF Bn /1
55th Const Co /1
3rd Medium FA Rgt /1
11th Shipping Engr Rgt /1
32nd Fld AA Bn /1
25th Army /2
54th Const Co /1
8th JNAF Coy /1
40th JAAF AF Bn /1
20th AA Rgt /1
5th JAAF AF Coy /1
5th FA Rgt /1
3rd Ind. Mtn Gun Rgt /1
6th JNAF Coy /1
21st JAAF AF Bn /1
8th Medium FA Rgt /1
56th Const Co /1
14th Army /1
24th JAAF AF Bn /1

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It's late where I am, but the vessels lost for the IJN at Bataan, not counting damaged, ran to about two pages of the intel screen. I'll post when I have time.

"TF 14 encounters mine field at Bataan (78,77)

Japanese Ships
DD Hatakaze, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Fumizuki, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Minazuki, Mine hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Natori, Mine hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Nagatsuki, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Satsuki



7 mines cleared"


But... but... but they only hit six mines! How did they manage to clear that seventh mine?

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

Nice map, Brady. Too bad they didn't put an overlay of the suitable landing beaches on it. I have a general idea, but it would be interesting to see what the military minds of the day considered to be the vulnerable beaches. 

Well I think the obvious point is that no mater whear they landed that they would realy only face a fraction of the guns. Which is true no mater when or whear a landing were to take place.

Also Unless absolutly nesscessary landings would take place whear their were no guns.

AT Rabaul for example the Japanese chose laning sights that were not covered by the CD guns and the ones that were, were undertaken at night so the guns would be of no concern, and their back up plan involved simply moving theirs Ships out from under the guns.

The Japanese prefered to land at night *, and unapoased, and at various spots along the beach, this was done to preserve unit coheashion during the initial landings, folow on landings were conducted around the clock.


The Folowing Link Details the Japanese Operations to secure various points in the SWPA :

http://ajrp.awm.gov.au/ajrp/AJRP2.nsf/0 ... enDocument

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My Favorate pasage from the Rabaul section:

The 1st Battalion of the Kusunose Unit, aboard the transports as the 1st Squad, entered the anchorage at 10.20 pm charged with the task of occupying the Praed Point battery and Lakunai airfield. The Praed Point battery was equipped with ten artillery guns. The Japanese therefore planned to move the entire convoy back a further 5 kilometres from the shore if Praed Point was not occupied by 4 am owing to the danger of the battery attacking the transport convoy. The commander of the 2nd Company, while heading for Praed Point onboard the transports, was told: "If you cannot occupy the battery by 4 am, then you must cut open your bowels and die!”

Thier were realy only two 6 inch guns, and they were eveuanitaly found to have been knocked out. By the Air Raid the day before.

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* Japanese Army in WW2, Conquest of the Pacific 1941-42, Rotma/Anderson
Japanese Army Handbook, Georg Forty
TME-30-480

The only good landing sites on Oahu were the ones covered by the guns, though.  The North Shore has very strong surf nearly year round, and especially in the winter, with waves well over 20' high.  Even the Marines felt that an amphibious landing on that side of the island was nearly impossible, but since a small scale raiding party was feasible, the Army eventually put some mobile gun positions and FC systems on that side of the island.  The landing sites the Marines considered most likely were on the south, SW and SE corners of the island, and all those were well covered by CD guns.

I hear what you're saying about the number of guns capable of firing at any one landing attempt; would it be possible to introduce a random percentage (say, from 50% to 80%) that would control how many guns are actually able to fire at any one TF?

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

Nice map, Brady. Too bad they didn't put an overlay of the suitable landing beaches on it. I have a general idea, but it would be interesting to see what the military minds of the day considered to be the vulnerable beaches. 

The defences were designed against a BB port raid not against a landing , the Northern side is not at all covered.... Seems a good place to land .


All of Oahu has nice beaches but the terrain is the middle is rough.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source= ... 8&t=h&z=14

So this basically mean Japan can land facing no major CD fire .... unlike Bataan and Singapore.

If i read map correct that only shows 8 inch and above fire nothing smaller. it also does not account for artillery units that could be fired anywhere and move if need.

From the same source:

Much of this was to be tweaked by the start of the war and some removed but it gives an idea of what was their.



The army did take the threat of landings seriously on the "Other Shores" as they put some planing into defensive posations to cover the enteriour,

Something else to consider is that most of these weapons were in Open Posations and would of been easy meat for Air atacks.

The Japanese also knew whear everything was, as evidanced by the fixed gun posations being marked on the maps found in downed Japanese planes.