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RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:17 am
by Icedawg
ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth
The Boise is sunk. You have now won
+1
I think I'd rather see her sunk more than any other ship the allies start the game with, including carriers and BBs. And I say that with a completely straight face - no exaggeration.
I more-than-half seriously think one of the developers must have been from Idaho or something and gave her some magical attributes hidden away in the code.
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:09 am
by Canoerebel
If this had been a straight surface combat battle - the Allies losing a CA and a couple of CLs and Japan losing CA Haguro - then I, as an Allied player, would feel pretty good about the outcome. CAs are gold. But there's something unsavory about engaging in a surface battle and then getting hammered by carrier strike aircraft. It just feels like you've gotten your fanny whipped.
Good job, GJ! I must say, you're holding your own against a very capable and very experienced opponent. Your pretty much on schedule and you've dished out some punishment. Q-Ball is doing good too, but you're really making him work for it.
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:09 pm
by crsutton
I hate to lose valuable Allied cruisers early in the game. But, it was a fair trade. And a trade is always a victory for the Allies.
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:27 pm
by jeffk3510
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
If this had been a straight surface combat battle - the Allies losing a CA and a couple of CLs and Japan losing CA Haguro - then I, as an Allied player, would feel pretty good about the outcome. CAs are gold. But there's something unsavory about engaging in a surface battle and then getting hammered by carrier strike aircraft. It just feels like you've gotten your fanny whipped.
Good job, GJ! I must say, you're holding your own against a very capable and very experienced opponent. Your pretty much on schedule and you've dished out some punishment. Q-Ball is doing good too, but you're really making him work for it.
Couldn't pass it up!
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:32 pm
by Canoerebel
*ack*!
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:38 pm
by jeffk3510
I don't mind losing Allied CA/CLs early in game.. a pain? Yes, but you get so many later on. However, losing them as Japan HURTS.
In my AI GC game I just started, I hid Boise and Houston in the Sulu Sea, and then pounced on the Miri invasion fleet. Sank the entire fleet. I ACCIDENTLY hit refuel, AND saved the game, so, I had 2 hexes of movement since I used up all of the OPs points... BBs came in and trashed me, and I lost both ships. To me, that puts a HUGE dent in defending the DEI.. those are nasty ships for some reason.
CAs and CLs are very important ships IMO..sounds like a lot of other's opinions as well.
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:40 pm
by jeffk3510
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
*ack*!
My sister corrects my English all of the time. She has an English degree. Same for my wife.
I just tell them my English is a lot gooder than theirs.
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:30 pm
by BBfanboy
Re: a beachhead in Java, I have never seen the IJA invade at Semarang [did I get that right?] about half way between Batavia and 'baja, but it seems like a good place to split the defenders and prevent a fighting withdrawal from one major port to the other. From that central location your fighters could cover most of Java.
Re: Rangoon, the usual strategy is to land at Akyab and march inland to cut the rail to Mandalay. After that happens no supply will flow down the Burma Road because there is no input from Rangoon. The cut-off defenders can be eliminated when you get enough troops from Malaya, DEI and/or SOPAC.
You will need to decide whether you are going onward after Burma or stopping to entrench and build forts in the favourable terrain.
Going after India against an experienced player will get you bogged down before you can consolidate and build up Burma.
Going after Australia risks your navy when the Allies get reinforcements. Lose control of the sea and any troops in Australia are cut off.
There are too many islands in the south seas to build an impregnable line of resistance - he can counter-build faster than you can and use LBA to attrit your islands. Again, your navy can only prevail in ther area until late 1942.
So, to me, the choices seems to be:
- establish a strong line of resistance early and conserve your forces to slow the Allied return [a Japanese "Good Sir Robin"]
- force major battles to devastate his navies in 1942 [very difficult against a skilled player]
- make a major "Phase II" move to make the game more interesting, knowing it will use up a lot of your assets and hasten the Allied advance
The question is "Do you feel lucky?" [;)]
Rotsa Ruck!
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:22 pm
by JohnDillworth
The only Brooklyn/St. Louis class the US lost during the war, USS Helena, did return as a Baltimore-class CA, her keel being laid just two months after her loss.
Let's see, USS (SHIP WHO'S NAME WILL NOT BE SPOKEN)sunk Jan-42... (scribbles furiously)... she can indeed return as an Iowa-class in late 1944 (see construction of USS Wisconsin).
Wait, the USN in 1944 still assigned states as BB names.
Ah! Here we go! She can come back as an Essex class! As was amply demonstrated, we named those proud ships after any random name.
Instead of 16" rifles, I offer you 73 Hellcats, 15 Dauntlesses, and 15 Avengers.
I recommend you suggest that your opponent rename one of his incoming CVs in honor of his martyred CL.
SHIP WHO'S NAME WILL NOT BE SPOKEN is no ordinary Brooklyn Class CL. Many players think she has mystical powers far beyond her numerous rapid fire 6" guns. If I were the Allied player and I lost
SHIP WHO'S NAME WILL NOT BE SPOKEN I would be distraught. As mentioned earlier, I think many of his useful surface assets are now gone. Excepting that CV air group, he only has a BB & a BC left on the table, and they will not come in Torp range me thinks
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:53 pm
by GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
If this had been a straight surface combat battle - the Allies losing a CA and a couple of CLs and Japan losing CA Haguro - then I, as an Allied player, would feel pretty good about the outcome. CAs are gold. But there's something unsavory about engaging in a surface battle and then getting hammered by carrier strike aircraft. It just feels like you've gotten your fanny whipped.
Good job, GJ! I must say, you're holding your own against a very capable and very experienced opponent. Your pretty much on schedule and you've dished out some punishment. Q-Ball is doing good too, but you're really making him work for it.
Dan, as always, thanks for your support and your kind words
Brad is making me bleed. Exactly what a good allied player should do. He cannot stop me...but he can hurt the empire in the process and slow him down to the point where he has to stop.
Now i have half of my CA/CLs out of action (2 CAs sunk, 2 CLs sunk plus a lot damaged) and i'm short of 15 DDs by now...i need to contain my losses during the next advances...if not i risk to arrive without a navy in 1943!
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:20 pm
by GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Re: a beachhead in Java, I have never seen the IJA invade at Semarang [did I get that right?] about half way between Batavia and 'baja, but it seems like a good place to split the defenders and prevent a fighting withdrawal from one major port to the other. From that central location your fighters could cover most of Java.
Re: Rangoon, the usual strategy is to land at Akyab and march inland to cut the rail to Mandalay. After that happens no supply will flow down the Burma Road because there is no input from Rangoon. The cut-off defenders can be eliminated when you get enough troops from Malaya, DEI and/or SOPAC.
You will need to decide whether you are going onward after Burma or stopping to entrench and build forts in the favourable terrain.
Going after India against an experienced player will get you bogged down before you can consolidate and build up Burma.
Going after Australia risks your navy when the Allies get reinforcements. Lose control of the sea and any troops in Australia are cut off.
There are too many islands in the south seas to build an impregnable line of resistance - he can counter-build faster than you can and use LBA to attrit your islands. Again, your navy can only prevail in ther area until late 1942.
So, to me, the choices seems to be:
- establish a strong line of resistance early and conserve your forces to slow the Allied return [a Japanese "Good Sir Robin"]
- force major battles to devastate his navies in 1942 [very difficult against a skilled player]
- make a major "Phase II" move to make the game more interesting, knowing it will use up a lot of your assets and hasten the Allied advance
The question is "Do you feel lucky?" [;)]
Rotsa Ruck!
Mate, Sabarang was exactly the place i was looking upon! He has massed 16 units in Batavia. Now i will recon Sosarbaja and see what he has there...however i think that, with his best cruisers out of action and the presence of a strong Mini-KB for cover, an early landing is possible. Think i should be able to land there with the equivalent of a division by the end of Jan 42. Estabilish a strong bridghead (with some 100 Zeros) and then wait for 2 more divisions coming from malaya once singa has fallen.
What to do next? Well, i don't feel that lucky anymore... Brad showed me how strong and capable player he is and i'd like to remain a challenge for him even in 1944...so i need to be conservative...smart and sneaky but conservative.
I see two main options in my grand strategy:
A push towards Northern Oz (conquering everything from Portland Roads to Darwin-Alice spring (excluded) and Exmouth) and fortify in Burma (historical perimeter) or to draw a line at Timor-Ambon and try an early landing with 3 divisions into the indian plains around Dacca...conquer those plains and so give some more time for my "oil-guys" to pump as much oil as possible from burma....
Still haven't decided what to do...
Both Burma and Southern DEI are two easy route of advance for the allies in 1943...so i'm puzzled
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:26 pm
by Canoerebel
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
Mate, Sabarang was exactly the place i was looking upon!
Sabarang is a cabaret midway between Semereng and Sabang, which puts it somewhere in the Sunda Straits....
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:29 pm
by GreyJoy
Jan 11 1942
After the battles of yesterday i sent 4 DDs to intercept the only survivor CL he had left...the Hobart... my guys tangled with the big ships and score 26 hits...but not a single torp... then a CLTF engaged...and again...lots of hits (few of my DDs lighly damaged) but the damned ship didn't go down... as a counterresponse, my 4DDs ended up into a minefield at Balikapan and 2 of them got sunk (modern ones)[:o]
Kaga's group ended in the same hex of Hobart...and not a single plane took off!!!!! com'on!!!
Well...i hope she will sink anyway...being so badly damaged....
What else? KB is moving south towards Noumea...our glens spotted a huge TFs composed of several APs unloading at Sydney...maybe i cannot get them but if i'd manage to...well, it will be an easy and juicy prey!
Unloading a BF at PM...soon we'll start to recon Horn island, portland roads and Mereuake.
Invading Buna right now too.
2 regiments, a tank regiment, an arty regiment and some minor engineers units are ready to be loaded at Mindanao... these guys will attack Ambon, along with 3 SNLF units and then proceed for Timor
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:38 pm
by Lecivius
You seem to be having a lot of luck!
Not all of it good, either [:(]
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:03 pm
by BBfanboy
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy
Mate, Sabarang was exactly the place i was looking upon!
Sabarang is a
cabaret midway between Semereng and Sabang, which puts it somewhere in the Sunda Straits....
At first glance I read the highlighted word as "
cabernet" which, given the imbibing smiley, would also be appropriate! [:)]
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:26 pm
by JohnDillworth
quote:
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
If this had been a straight surface combat battle - the Allies losing a CA and a couple of CLs and Japan losing CA Haguro - then I, as an Allied player, would feel pretty good about the outcome. CAs are gold. But there's something unsavory about engaging in a surface battle and then getting hammered by carrier strike aircraft. It just feels like you've gotten your fanny whipped.
Good job, GJ! I must say, you're holding your own against a very capable and very experienced opponent. Your pretty much on schedule and you've dished out some punishment. Q-Ball is doing good too, but you're really making him work for it.
Couldn't pass it up!
Yikes!! well met and well deserved. I will inhale my beverage presently
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:22 am
by princep01
Ser Greyjoy, given the relative ease with which the Allies can build a supply base in northern OZ and pounce on Timor under LBA cover, I'd say northern OZ is a virtual "must". You will eventually lose it, but delaying the return of the Q-Ball led Allies to those northern ports (particularly Darwin) can discourage the "too easy" advance into the SRA. I'd suggest you don't let that happen.
Wirh judicious use of your forces, you should be able to remain on the offensive through 42. But, my primary goal would be to engage his CVs and win that fight in 42. That will delay his taking the strategic offensive even longer. Achieving that would be my preferred approach. Tactically, a bait and trap approach might work even against a crafty player like Q-Ball. Yamamoto had the right strategic idea at Midway, he just deployed very badly and had the wrong Admiral in charge of KB whom, in turn, executed the fight about as badly as possible. But, drawing the Allied CVs into an uneven fight with KB was an excellent idea.
Of course, once you have decided upon and established your defensive perimeter, you must not neglect the many tactical decisions among which is: What bases will I really build up? The map above relating to the Solomons indicates you are giving that serious thought....bravo.
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:39 am
by jeffk3510
Sir GJ-
Do you mind explaining what a corpes is..
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:15 am
by JohnDillworth
Now i will recon Sosarbaja
=Surabaya?
RE: Waves of corpes
Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:42 am
by Cribtop
Man, this drinking game is tough! I'm rasted. [:D]