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His point is what goes round comes round.

hey I did put smileys there !!!!!  

I perfectly understood his point... Its just that is funny whenever a fanboy jumps on any occasion to make his point ( be it allied fanboy, jap fanboy or "game is broken" fabboy like ROn )....



No offense intended..

None taken.....and I forgot to put the smiles in.....will you accept one now?   [:)]

yup i forgot about that mail and plan .. my bad .. life has been rather hectic inbetween [;)]

one solution to Karachi & Brit reinforcements would be to reach a gentleman's agreement, and let Trey take Karachi back, but neither side can launch offensive action towards or from Karachi.

Then he can ship out the forces when they arrive. Another agreement would be for you to not attck his convoys until they were some distance out (20-30 hexes?).

A bit awkward, but you two seem to have the requisite level of trust to work it.

that's why in my game I agreed with Raverdave that if i go after India I will leave Karachi in allied hands. i can't imagine knocking UK out of war
Iran , Persia - this troops would gather just off the map edge

Rob,

No bothers . Life always, always comes first, like it has for me recently...



ADavidB,
I see your point but I would aver that the attack you've quoted above is significantly more "stoppable" than Allied bomber raids later on. The reason for this lies not only in the actual tactical/operational situation displayed in the combat report ( which I feel, quite unaccountably, is what everyone seems to solely focus on) but primarily in the ahistorical logistical underpinnings of the Allied situation from mid-42 onwards ( tending to become more ahistoric and unbalancing as we move farther from 1941).

As with all things of decisive, long-term, strategic importance what makes the allied four-engined bomber offensive ahistorically "unstoppable" ( and more to the point IMO, uncurbable) is the flawed logistical context in which it occurs.

I do think that it is quite realistic that the Allied bomber offensive should be, essentially, unstoppable BUT the game's flaws are shown by the fact that it is, by 1944 and 1945 unamenable to being curbed no matter what the Japanese player does.

There are ways in which to fix this and make it unstoppable but curbable ( which would bring it much closer to reality) but it is, unfortunately, inappropriate for me to discuss them at this stage. In a few days it will not be so but now it is.

And with that preamble, onto the game....


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/16/42

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TF 61 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported

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TF 61 troops unloading over beach at Zamboanga, 39,59


Japanese ground losses:
56 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Ahmadabad , at 24,8

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 63
A6M3 Zero x 3

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IF x 3
Blenheim I x 5
Blenheim IV x 17
Wellington III x 16
Beaufort V-IX x 6
B-26B Marauder x 15
B-17E Fortress x 27
LB-30 Liberator x 15
IL-4c x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 15 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IF: 1 destroyed
Blenheim I: 3 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
Wellington III: 4 destroyed, 3 damaged
Beaufort V-IX: 3 destroyed
B-26B Marauder: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed, 8 damaged
LB-30 Liberator: 3 damaged
IL-4c: 1 damaged


The Allies are, again, stopped cold. Their morale is terribly low as evinced by the act that many of the bomber elements turn back when one of their member is attacked. This limits my ability to shoot down large numbers of bombers but so long as I can bomb them on the ground I can still achieve my goal of decisive, symmetrical, point attrition... the only type of symmetrical attrition I can afford to accept.


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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 27
Ki-48 Lily x 105
Ki-46-II Dinah x 7
Ki-15 Babs x 14

Allied aircraft
I-153c x 1
I-16c x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 2 destroyed, 16 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
I-153c: 1 destroyed
I-16c: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported

Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 117

There seems to be an almost limitless ability or the Chinese units at Chungking to repair and resupply. The game mechanic whereby units at Karachi and Chungking can gain supply while besieged is completely hosed.

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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 106
A6M3 Zero x 2
Ki-21 Sally x 210
Ki-49 Helen x 61
Ki-46-II Dinah x 13

Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 2
Buffalo I x 3
Hurricane II x 1
Kittyhawk I x 2
Blenheim IF x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 37 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 2 destroyed, 12 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Mohawk IV: 10 destroyed
Buffalo I: 7 destroyed
Hurricane II: 1 destroyed
Kittyhawk I: 15 destroyed
Blenheim IF: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed
B-26B Marauder: 10 destroyed
Wellington III: 1 destroyed
LB-30 Liberator: 6 destroyed
Beaufort V-IX: 6 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 6 destroyed
Blenheim I: 6 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 4 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 1 destroyed
Dakota I: 7 destroyed
PBY Catalina: 3 destroyed
Catalina I: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
251 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 2

Airbase hits 32
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 270

A useful attack. More enemy twin and four-engined bombers are destroyed on the ground. The attrition of British fighter pilots continues. I want to continue this attrition a bit longer as I am quite concerned about what the enemy level bombers and torpedo bombers could do to my weak battleline at Bombay ( only 3 BBs and 7 CAs although another 7 BBs and 6 CAs are steaming for Bombay from their repair docks in Japan in order to aid the attack on Karachi) if piloted by experienced pilots. Trey may have the numbers but if they are 30 or 40 Experience pilots then I have little need to fear them.

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 12
Hudson I x 40


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
68 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1

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Ground combat at Zamboanga

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1566 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 28

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese max assault: 19 - adjusted assault: 20

Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 20 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Zamboanga base !!!


I have decided to send a Regimental size force to Koepand and another to the base at the other end of Timor. Each Regiment will be supported by a base force and 3 to 4 AAA Bns. Then, at the appropriate time, I'll transfer 100 Zeroes in to Koepang and another 100 to the other base and cull those highly experienced Hudson and four-engined bomber pilots in northern Australia.

Below you can continue to see the massive losses being inflicted on Allied forces at Karachi. Particularly important is the culling of the heavy bomber force. I gambled that accepting symmetrical point attrition could, in an area favourable to Japan, yield decisive results and drawn down the enemy bomber threat significantly. This seems to be what is occurring with over 900 of the premier British and American four-engined bombers being destroyed by this stage of the war. Even these grievous losses do not prevent trey replacing his losses as quickly as they occur BUT they do prevent him from being able to commit to loss-heavy harrassing operations around the perimeter and, as such, it has been noticeable that in the last fortnight the number of Allied raids around my perimeter by bombers of the type involved in combat at Karachi ( B-26s, LB-30s and B-17s) has fallen to almost nothing. This augers well for 1944 and 1945 and my evolving defensive doctrine.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/17/42

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TF 1064 encounters mine field at Dutch Harbor (103,36)

Allied Ships
MSW Quatsino

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Sub attack at 33,64

Japanese Ships
AK Yodogawa Maru
MSW Himejima Maru

Allied Ships
SS Grayling

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Sub attack at 32,64

Japanese Ships
AK Awata Maru
PG Seisho Maru

Allied Ships
SS Nautilus

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ASW attack at 33,64

Japanese Ships
MSW Himejima Maru

Allied Ships
SS Grayling

It would appear that a significant Allied submarine force has been committed to the DEI. 4 x Alf Chutai and one of my four ASW TFs is being committed to the area and should begin drawing down this force within the next fortnight.

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 26
Ki-48 Lily x 98
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5
Ki-15 Babs x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 14 damaged


Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 21
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 89

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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 32
Ki-21 Sally x 152
Ki-49 Helen x 48
Ki-46-II Dinah x 10

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IF x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 5 destroyed, 23 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 2 destroyed, 15 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IF: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Dakota I: 4 destroyed
LB-30 Liberator: 4 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 5 destroyed
Kittyhawk I: 11 destroyed
Blenheim I: 6 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 3 destroyed
Wellington III: 2 destroyed
B-26B Marauder: 4 destroyed
Mohawk IV: 6 destroyed
Beaufort V-IX: 2 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
PBY Catalina: 2 destroyed
Buffalo I: 2 destroyed
Vildebeest IV: 1 destroyed
Swordfish: 1 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
241 casualties reported
Guns lost 5
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 194

Combat report notwithstanding today's turn saw another 200 Allied planes destroyed in the air or on the ground.

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Day Air attack on Colombo , at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 30
Ki-49 Helen x 26

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
31 casualties reported

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 72

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
Catalina I x 3
Hudson I x 18


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
39 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Port supply hits 1

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Day Air attack on 1st New Chinese Corps, at 45,35

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 32

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported


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Day Air attack on 17th Indian Division, at 30,25

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-27 Nate: 3 damaged

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Day Air attack on TF, near Karachi at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Summer, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Karachi at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
TK Empire Lytton, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

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Day Air attack on TF at 18,6

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 9
A6M2-N Rufe x 3
A6M2 Zero x 29
G3M Nell x 15
G4M1 Betty x 12
Ki-27 Nate x 32
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 2 destroyed, 11 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Warspite
BB Resolution, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CLAA Caledon

Yesterday I noticed some of Trey's shipping sortieing from Karachi. I think that he is trying to slip his CVs to Australia under cover of the expected battleline attack on Bombay. I decided to take a risk and rely on my own battleline to turn his force away before it could bombard my invaluable Betty and Nell squadrons at Bombay. The risk pays of and at the cost of 3 bombers destroyed and a few more so heavily damaged that they must ditch the Resolution takes four devastating torpedo hits, immediately breaks in half and sinks.

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Day Air attack on TF at 18,6

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 12
G3M Nell x 3
Ki-27 Nate x 12
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Isaac Sweers

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Day Air attack on TF at 18,6

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 3
Ki-27 Nate x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
PG Hollyhock

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Day Air attack on TF at 17,5

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 4
G4M1 Betty x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
MSW Cromarty

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Day Air attack on TF at 18,6

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 5
A6M2-N Rufe x 2
A6M2 Zero x 14
G3M Nell x 6
G4M1 Betty x 12
Ki-27 Nate x 17
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 2 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Perth
CL Achilles, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CA Canberra

Not bad. Trey told me that an Australian division was shipped into Karachi by convoy. I imagine that these Australian ships are the convoy escorts. I'm glad since the more I sink here the less will be left to oppose me when I move on Australia and New Zealand.

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ASW attack at 19,9

Japanese Ships
APD APD-46
APD APD-39
APD APD-38
APD APD-37
APD APD-36
APD APD-35
APD APD-33
APD APD-31
APD APD-2
APD APD-1

Allied Ships
SS Grenadier, hits 3

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/18/42

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ASW attack at 32,64

Japanese Ships
PC Ch 20

Allied Ships
SS Nautilus

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
Brewster 339D x 6
Hudson I x 43


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported

Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
Catalina I x 4
Hudson I x 24


Allied aircraft losses
Catalina I: 1 damaged
Hudson I: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported

Port fuel hits 1


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Day Air attack on French Frigate Shoal , at 104,68


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 6


No Allied losses


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Day Air attack on 1st Tank Regiment, at 36,25


Allied aircraft
SB-2c x 7


No Allied losses

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Day Air attack on 5th Chinese Cavalry Corps, at 45,35

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 32

No Japanese losses

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Day Air attack on 81st PA Division, at 42,58

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 33
D3A Val x 35
B5N Kate x 54
Ki-27 Nate x 96
Ki-51 Sonia x 24
Ki-15 Babs x 4

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
82 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Colombo Base Force, at 14,24

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 22
Ki-49 Helen x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 3 damaged


Allied ground losses:
39 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Day Air attack on TF at 19,5

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 6
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 56
Ki-21 Sally x 14
Ki-49 Helen x 21

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CL Achilles, Bomb hits 14, on fire, heavy damage

Hmm, I think it is fair to say that this level-bombing attack, seals Achilles' fate. It would appear that the decks are as vulnerable to 250 Kg AP bombs as any mythical tendon might be. The Oscar was lost as my Oscars were ordered to dive-bomb. All-out really does mean ALL-OUT in my army [:D]


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Day Air attack on TF at 19,5

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 57
G3M Nell x 37
G4M1 Betty x 86

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
CL Achilles, on fire, heavy damage

Must not comment on sheer bloody stupidity of some design decisions. My lovely and much-risked-for ambush is rendered for naught by dumb game mechanics.

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Day Air attack on TF at 19,6

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 72
Ki-21 Sally x 78
Ki-49 Helen x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 18 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Warspite, Bomb hits 5, on fire
CA Devonshire
DD Express
CL Newcastle, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CL Tromp

Would that they had been Betty and Nells. I feel certain Warspite would have succumbed to such a major torpedo-bomber strike.

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Day Air attack on TF at 19,6

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 32
Ki-21 Sally x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Tjerk Hiddes, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Arrow

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Day Air attack on TF at 19,6

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21 Sally x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PG Hollyhock

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Day Air attack on TF at 19,6

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 2
Ki-21 Sally x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
PG Thyme
MSW Cromarty

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Day Air attack on TF at 19,6

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 35
Ki-21 Sally x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Canberra, Bomb hits 1
CA Australia

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Ground combat at Colombo

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 37425 troops, 372 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 773

Defending force 18589 troops, 81 guns, 279 vehicles, Assault Value = 161

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 8

Japanese max assault: 680 - adjusted assault: 750

Allied max defense: 173 - adjusted defense: 1102

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)


Japanese ground losses:
835 casualties reported
Guns lost 40
Vehicles lost 5

Allied ground losses:
63 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Ground combat at Chandpur

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 21734 troops, 165 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 423

Defending force 11466 troops, 165 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 163

Japanese max assault: 412 - adjusted assault: 502

Allied max defense: 163 - adjusted defense: 159

Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 3)

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2


Japanese ground losses:
370 casualties reported
Guns lost 16

Allied ground losses:
240 casualties reported
Guns lost 7
Vehicles lost 1

  Damn, Nemo! You're posting these awfully fast. Do you still think that you can take Karachi? Some people seem to think that even with total air superiority you won't be able to take it, because of reinforcements coming in.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/19/42

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TF 1027 encounters mine field at Dutch Harbor (103,36)

Allied Ships
MSW Guysborough
MSW Caraquet
PG Vancouver

Ahh, new forces arrive at Dutch Harbour. I bet this is the vanguard of an invasion TF.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Bombay at 20,10

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 4, on fire
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 2
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 2
CA Haguro, Shell hits 1
CA Nachi, Shell hits 4
CA Mogami, Shell hits 1
CA Aoba, Shell hits 2
CA Kinugasa, Shell hits 5
CA Furutaka
DD Oyashio
DD Hatsukaze
DD Natsushio

Allied Ships
BB Warspite, Shell hits 2, on fire
CA Devonshire, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
CL Tromp, Shell hits 1
CL Birmingham, Shell hits 2
CLAA Caledon, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Express, Shell hits 2
DD Griffin
DD Hotspur, Shell hits 9, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Norman

Mutsu suffered a 15 inch shell hit. It was disastrously damaged with system damage of approximately 60 the next morning. Still, it is in a fairly major port and so should survive quite handily.

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Bombay at 20,10

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, on fire
BB Yamashiro, Torpedo hits 1
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 1
CA Haguro
CA Nachi
CA Mogami
CA Aoba, Shell hits 1
CA Kinugasa, Shell hits 1
CA Furutaka
DD Oyashio
DD Hatsukaze
DD Natsushio

Allied Ships
BB Warspite, on fire
CA Devonshire, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
CL Tromp, Shell hits 2, on fire
CL Birmingham
CLAA Caledon, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Express
DD Griffin, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Norman

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Bombay at 20,10


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Walrus: 2 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, on fire
BB Yamashiro
BB Hyuga
CA Haguro
CA Nachi
CA Mogami
CA Aoba
CA Kinugasa
CA Furutaka
DD Oyashio
DD Hatsukaze
DD Natsushio

Allied Ships
CL Newcastle, Shell hits 25, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Bombay at 20,10


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Walrus: 4 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Yamashiro
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 2
CA Haguro, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
CA Nachi
CA Mogami, Shell hits 6
CA Aoba
CA Kinugasa
CA Furutaka
DD Oyashio, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Hatsukaze
DD Natsushio

Allied Ships
BB Warspite, Shell hits 7, on fire
CA Devonshire, Shell hits 15, and is sunk
CL Tromp, Shell hits 10, on fire
CL Birmingham, Shell hits 2, on fire
CLAA Caledon, Shell hits 39, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Express, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
DD Griffin, Shell hits 14, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Norman, Shell hits 2, on fire

Another 15 inch shell hits Mutsu and Haguro takes two 15 inch shells. By morning-time Haguro as at well over 90% system damage. Still, being in the same hex as Bombay tends to do wonderful things for Japanese ship survivability. Pretty much every Allied ship except Warspite suffers extremely serious damage.

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TF 1027 encounters mine field at Dutch Harbor (103,36)

Allied Ships
MSW Guysborough
MSW Caraquet

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TF 1035 encounters mine field at Dutch Harbor (103,36)

Allied Ships
MSW Kelowna
MSW Courtenay

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Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 23
Ki-48 Lily x 99
Ki-46-II Dinah x 7
Ki-15 Babs x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48 Lily: 1 destroyed, 13 damaged

Airbase hits 28
Airbase supply hits 8
Runway hits 120

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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 10
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 66

Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 2
Buffalo I x 1
Hurricane II x 6
Kittyhawk I x 3
Blenheim IF x 1
P-40E Warhawk x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 22 destroyed, 22 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Mohawk IV: 1 damaged
Buffalo I: 1 destroyed
Hurricane II: 3 destroyed
Kittyhawk I: 2 destroyed
Blenheim IF: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Note to self. Families of fighter pilots do NOT appreciate such suicidal orders. My brilliant idea of ordering a fighter sweep at 100 feet in order to attack the PT boats at Karachi resulted in a fighter sweep of the airfield and, consequent, massive losses.

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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 124
A6M3 Zero x 3
Ki-21 Sally x 170
Ki-49 Helen x 15
Ki-46-II Dinah x 14

Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 2
Hurricane II x 1
Kittyhawk I x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 2 destroyed, 35 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Mohawk IV: 10 destroyed
Hurricane II: 1 destroyed
Kittyhawk I: 8 destroyed
Beaufort V-IX: 5 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 5 destroyed
Dakota I: 5 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 9 destroyed
LB-30 Liberator: 5 destroyed
Wellington III: 2 destroyed
B-26B Marauder: 7 destroyed
Buffalo I: 3 destroyed
PBY Catalina: 1 destroyed
Blenheim I: 1 destroyed
Swordfish: 1 destroyed


Allied ground losses:
155 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Airbase hits 29
Airbase supply hits 6
Runway hits 198

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Day Air attack on Koepang , at 28,77


Allied aircraft
Catalina I x 3
Hudson I x 21


Allied aircraft losses
Hudson I: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1

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Day Air attack on French Frigate Shoal , at 104,68


Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 15


No Allied losses

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1

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Day Air attack on 39th Chinese Corps, at 45,35

Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 32

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 81st PA Division, at 42,58

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 35
D3A Val x 152
B5N Kate x 215
Ki-27 Nate x 94
Ki-51 Sonia x 23
Ki-15 Babs x 4

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
144 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on TF, near Karachi at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 3
Ki-49 Helen x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Empire Summer, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AK Empire Lightning, Bomb hits 1, on fire

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Day Air attack on TF at 19,7

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 6
Ki-21 Sally x 4
Ki-49 Helen x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Tromp, on fire

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Day Air attack on TF at 20,6

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 2
A6M2-N Rufe x 2
A6M2 Zero x 12
G3M Nell x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 8 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Birmingham, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF at 15,6

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Electra

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Day Air attack on TF at 15,6

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
G4M1 Betty x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
DD Electra
DD Arrow, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

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Day Air attack on TF at 15,7

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 5
G4M1 Betty x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged

Allied Ships
PG Nigella, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PG Hollyhock, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
PG Fritillary

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Day Air attack on TF at 17,8

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 6
A6M2-N Rufe x 3
A6M2 Zero x 42
G3M Nell x 20
G4M1 Betty x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
MSW Poole, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Stronghold, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
PG Cyclamen, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PG Thyme
MSW Cromer, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Air attack on TF, near Bombay at 20,10

Japanese aircraft
G3M Nell x 24
G4M1 Betty x 50
Ki-27 Nate x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 19 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Australia, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CL Hobart, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Parrott
CL Boise
CA Canberra, Torpedo hits 3, on fire
CL Perth

CL Boise! GRRR!!!! [:@][:@][:@]


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Day Air attack on TF, near Bombay at 20,10

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 2
Ki-21 Sally x 7
Ki-49 Helen x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 6 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Australia, Shell hits 4, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Parrott
CA Canberra, Shell hits 4, on fire

Rather ineffective skip-bombing.
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Day Time Surface Combat, near Bombay at 20,10


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Walrus: 3 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Shell hits 3
CA Maya, Shell hits 9
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 4
CA Suzuya, Shell hits 3, on fire
CA Kumano, Shell hits 4
DD Nowaki, Shell hits 1
DD Asagumo, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CA Canberra, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
CL Perth, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
CL Hobart, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
CL Boise, Shell hits 8, on fire
DD Parrott, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
DD Le Triomphant, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Bombay at 20,10


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
SOC-3 Seagull: 5 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Shell hits 5
CA Maya, Shell hits 3
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 4
CA Suzuya, Shell hits 2, on fire
CA Kumano, Shell hits 5
DD Nowaki
DD Asagumo, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CL Hobart, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
CL Boise, Shell hits 47, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Parrott, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
DD Le Triomphant, Shell hits 11, and is sunk

BOISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm pretty damned happy with this. Boise is such a tough ship to sink that this is quite a nice victory for me. Asagumo is in trouble and another couple of CAs join Haguro in the repair yards but, overall, nothing important is badly damaged.

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Ground combat at Nanning

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 12304 troops, 170 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 202

Defending force 11744 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 251

Japanese max assault: 412 - adjusted assault: 570

Allied max defense: 247 - adjusted defense: 67

Japanese assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Nanning base !!!


Japanese ground losses:
217 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

Allied ground losses:
16962 casualties reported
Guns lost 31

And Nanning falls. In a couple of days the China/Burma railroad will be entirely in my hands and I can get at some of the resupply piling up in Thailand.

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Ground combat at 41,31

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9019 troops, 11 guns, 578 vehicles, Assault Value = 316

Defending force 16584 troops, 103 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 512

Japanese max assault: 273 - adjusted assault: 296

Allied max defense: 530 - adjusted defense: 109

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
61 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 7

Allied ground losses:
185 casualties reported
Guns lost 12


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Ground combat at 40,36

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 10202 troops, 163 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 194

Defending force 3396 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 97

Japanese max assault: 189 - adjusted assault: 368

Allied max defense: 92 - adjusted defense: 11

Japanese assault odds: 33 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported

Redd,

Thanks for the input. Posting fast because we are about 7 days ahead of the AAR but I haven't updated cause life was just moving too fast these past few days ... but in a good way.


As to whether or not I can take Karachi... I agree that it cannot be taken with JUST aerial superiority. It requires aerial supremacy ( as opposed to superiority) AND the battleline. I've done some back of the envelope calculations and I estimate that 2 BBs with 4 CAs with a DL of 10 should be able to cause 5,000 to 15,000 casualties among the Allied support troops at Karachi. The more ops points and ammunition and the less surface combat there is on the way in the more the figure will tend toward 15,000.

Once things get going I think I can run 1 major bombardment TF every 4 days. I have 8 BBs and another 6 or CAs on the way to Bombay ( should arrive at the end of the month) so by the beginning of June I should be able to run a 5 BB, 5 CA bombardment TF every 2 days. I confidently expect such a force to remove the majority of support troops from Karachi, help me to prevent repair of any of their facilities and allow my bombers etc to begin switching to ground attack missions ( thus causing disruption and fatigue which can no longer be easily repaired by the plentiful support troops).

I think the key will be eliminating those support troops and keeping them eliminated. Without support troops the plentiful supply does little good and the ability to repair the airbase is removed. Without some measure of aerial cover and no naval support I can bombard and bomb Karachi at will. With my army bombers attacking ground combat units and increasing their disruption and fatigue ( and the support troops required to repair that disruption and fatigue being eliminated as quickly as they repair themselves) I should be able to drop the combat effectiveness of Karachi quite quickly. With that done I think I can take it. It won't be before the end of June though and so my timetable for Australia/New Zealand and Pearl Harbour is wrecked.

I am going to have to choose no more than 1 of those 2 operations. I will either head for Pearl Harbour or go for New Zealand but I doubt very seriously that I am going to be able to do my initially proposed Northern Australia then New Zealand then Pearl Harbour sequence.

I think I'll have to choose to either invade Northern Oz in late July with New Zealand following in September OR just go for Pearl Harbour itself in September/October. Advice welcome.

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ORIGINAL: Nemo121

I think I'll have to choose to either invade Northern Oz in late July with New Zealand following in September OR just go for Pearl Harbour itself in September/October. Advice welcome.

I vote for Pearl Harbour. That's not meant as advice, but a comment from the peanut gallery - I don't think Pearl could be taken that late but I'd be interested in seeing it tried.

I think you'd agree it's a higher risk/higher reward operation.

ORIGINAL: ADavidB

We have never seen an Allied player win this game in 1945...

To be fair, there was AdmSpruance's They Were Expendable AAR. I've also seen posts about non-AAR games that are getting into 1944 and later that aren't doing as well as Sneer, AmiralLaurent, etc.

ADavidB,
 
"Whining"? Hmm, no, I merely answered you and pointed out that the crucial difference between what happened in the example you highlighted and what happens in 1944 onwards is the "stoppability" of the bomber strike in the medium to long-term due to differing strategic/logistical contexts. So, in an extremely cursory, basic analysis you may appear to be right in stating that the example above equates to a similar strike in 1944 perpetrated by the Allies. In a proper, detailed analysis giving weighting to tactical, operational, strategic and logistical considerations you are, demonstrably, incorrect to assert such equivalence.
 
You definitely seem, to me, to be far more interested in carrying on the interminable four-engined bomber argument than actually reading, processing and understanding what I said. I have absolutely no problem with the fact that in 1943, 1944 and 1945 Trey is going to be able to hit me with hundreds of B24s, B25s, B29s, B17s etc. That's historically accurate and I have no problem with it. There are, however, significant logistical underpinnings which are ahistoric and I do suggest that this makes the Allied four-engined bomber attacks less curbable ( as opposed to stoppable) than was historically the case.
 
What you, above, represent my position as being has very little contact with the reality of what I actually have, several times, stated as my position. It has far more contact with the reality of what has been posted by others in other threads ( and which I've argued against in those threads). As such it is extremely unfair and impolite of you to misrepresent my position in this way. Furthermore your evident prejudice in using words such as "whining" when what I am actually stating is far from "whining" about hundreds of four-engined bomber strikes in 1943 onwards is extremely prejudicial and mean-spirited. Honestly it beggars my belief that you can contort a statement that

it is quite realistic that the Allied bomber offensive should be, essentially, unstoppable

into something which requires your "advice" that I should

 stop whining about what "might" happen in the future

. As to me forcing anyone into anything. Absolute balderdash! I suggest you read what is written and behave in a more gentlemanly manner yourself when responding to another's posts such that you avoid the misrepresentation and undue labelling in which you so revelled above.
 
 
I state again my position in the hope that you will actually read and process it and not misrepresent it again. I apologise to those others who read this thread for whom the following is so basic as to be obvious but I find it necessary to be searingly obvious in order to prevent giving you ground for further malicious misrepresentation of my position... The strike you showed above is comparable to Allied strikes in 1943 onward only insofar as the combatreport.txt outcome appears similar. However, as anyone with even a scintilla of strategic ability will tell you the tactical results ( listed in combatreport.txt) gain the vast majority of their meaning from the operational and strategic context within which they occur. Since strategy is first and foremost the application of logistics to the achievement of national policy objectives it follows that the majority of the context within which that segment of the combatreport must be considered is the logistical situation at the time. As such the fact that the logistical situation pertaining to Allied aircraft in 1943 onward is incomparable to the situation pertaining to Japanese aircraft in 1941 to 43 is ENTIRELY pertinent. That it is demonstrable that the logistical situation pertaining to Allied aircraft in 1943 onward is ahistorical and flawed ( and increasingly so the farther along one moves) is thus extremely pertinent and, in fact, crucial to the consideration of the respective situations.
 
So, to summarise, since the logistical contexts are entirely different the combatreport.txts CANNOT, validly, be compared to eachother at the strategic level ( which is what you did). I objected to this extremely basic, short-sighted and flawed comparison ( which failed to consider the strategical and logistical contexts). I did not object to the tactical and operational reality that sufficient hundreds of Japanese and Allied bombers can, at the tactical and operational level achieve similar results if they get through enemy CAP. For you to represent what I said as saying that was either a gross misunderstanding due to the fact you didn't actually read and fully process what I said but, instead, preferred to knee-jerk to something entirely different... or it was simply malicious. Given the nature of internet posting I am entirely prepared to concede that if one did not actually read what I said carefully it could appear to be another instance of the interminable "there shouldn't be hordes of heavy bombers because I can't beat them" which DOES rise from some Japanese players and which, if you actually did some research, you will find I have strenuously opposed previously on this very forum.
 
I will play to the end, I will face hundreds of heavy bombers from 1943 onward and I will lose. I'm completely at ease with that and amn't seeking to avoid the hundreds of heavy bombers or losing. I DO wish to see obvious, identifiable, significant logistical flaws eliminated and if someone again, erroneously, seeks to assert strategic equivalence when there exists ONLY strategic correlation ( an entirely different thing to equivalence) then I will say so again whether this error of analysis be in favour of the Japanese or the Allies. I have no emotional attachment to either side. I am on the side of rational, objective analysis irrespective of whom it may, on the surface, advantage E.g. I'm entirely in favour of the current PT boat spawning situation which advantages the Americans since I think it is internally consistent with other game mechanics, in favour of linking aviation support to number of engines and not airframes since I think that is more historically defensive ( this may be held to favour the Japanese) etc. The distinction between my position, what I said and what you seem to have assumed I said is now, I trust, clear.
 
 
p.s. Is there any function in this forum for ignoring certain posters? And no, I don't intend to ignore you ADavidB ( infinitely preferable to being refered to as "guy" BTW) unless you choose to continue the misrepresentation. I see no need to indulge in a flamewar with you about things I never actually said.

if you want to attack PT boats with fighters use only naval attack option (on 100 feets!)

ctangus,

Yup, agree entirely. High reward, high risk. I've been sneaking a few looks at the Hawaiian Islands recently and it looks like several of them aren't massively developed or defended. They certainly are not well-defended enough to withstand a 15 division point-assault and once I can reduce the number of fields available to Trey it will become easier and easier to close those Allied fields which remain. Certainly they can be repaired and it will cost me significant losses in terms of pilots, airframes and important shipping ( CVs, BBs and CAs) but I think it is achievable.
 
As you say, even if it isn't it'll be one hell of a show and trying something foolhardy appeals to me.

Pauk,
 
Thanks for that... I was wondering what had happened . * Cue red cheeks at not knowing that game mechanic* I appreciate the advice.

ORIGINAL: ADavidB
We have never seen an Allied player win this game in 1945, and I'll quite confidently predict that we won't with the current versions of the Game, because of the "play balancing" that has been done to allow Japanese players to be in the ascent for 500 to 600 turns.

not correct. I think Spruance get automatic victory on January 1st 1945.... as Allies, of course.

EDIT: damn, when i will leart to read all posts first?

i think old zeta's game was finished by points in 45