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RE: November 1944
Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:51 am
by Alpha77
ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock
The fights occurred at very close range. Those 8" shells were NASTY!
The
Minneapolis and most of the Astoria class were armed with the first "super-capacity" guns of the USN. The shell weight was about 335 lbs, whereas a typical 8-inch shell weighed 260 lbs before. (I'm not sure if WitP AE simulates that.)
Do you mean these:
From navweapons
Other than the Des Moines (CA-134) class, AP Mark 21 (super heavy) was apparently issued only to the Baltimore (CA-68) and Oregon City (CA-122) classes. SP Common had a thin cap and a windscreen. HC Mark 25 was designed such that it could be forged from the base end.
Check the database you will find that Allied AA and SF guns both are rated better then IJN ones. But a later 8inch gun has even better stats so guess it is in the game. Also Allies get a boost somewhere in 43(?) for radars and VT-fuzed projectiles , see also:
https://www.smecc.org/radio_proximity_fuzes.htm
But the best IJ gun is sadly underrated in the game (10cm DP)[:@]
RE: November 1944
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:39 am
by Capt. Harlock
Do you mean these:
From navweapons
Other than the Des Moines (CA-134) class, AP Mark 21 (super heavy) was apparently issued only to the Baltimore (CA-68) and Oregon City (CA-122) classes. SP Common had a thin cap and a windscreen. HC Mark 25 was designed such that it could be forged from the base end.
Yes -- my error.
Minneapolis and several of her sisters, plus the
Wichita, mounted the 8"/55 Mark 12 or Mark 15. These were capable of firing the super-heavy shells, but the pre-Pearl Harbor ships did not have ammunition hoists rated to carry the weight. So, it was not until the
Baltimores that the heavier projectiles were issued.
RE: November 1944
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:14 am
by John 3rd
November 29, 1944
The enemy is making ready to do one of his supply/convoy switches. The Japanese will allow the switch to occur and then we plan an all-out effort to NAIL the empty portion as it transits home. Here is a screenshot of the TFs moving south. Will he move due south and run through his bases to eastern Aust? Will he do a mid-Pacific exchange like last time? I'm betting the southern move.
Notice we stage one heck of a nice ambush over Ternate this day.

RE: November 1944
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:15 am
by John 3rd
Here is the result of this ambush:

RE: November 1944
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:20 pm
by crsutton
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
The fights occurred at very close range. Those 8" shells were NASTY!
You are correct. I use the BCs for CV Escort and fast bombardment runs periodically.
JWE did confirm that the Allies eventually get a gunnery bonus-probably in early 44. To reflect the superior range finder they were all getting about then. Did not say when or how much of a bonus though.
RE: November 1944
Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:57 pm
by John 3rd
It is NASTY! No matter what I hold that the ALLIES were all very mean, nasty, and--undoubtedly--CHEATED!
I'm not biased whatsoever. Nope. Not at all...
Yaaaaa...right!


RE: November 1944
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:07 am
by Lowpe
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
November 29, 1944
The enemy is making ready to do one of his supply/convoy switches. The Japanese will allow the switch to occur and then we plan an all-out effort to NAIL the empty portion as it transits home.
Is that how he handles his shipping? One in and one out at the same time roughly?
Good luck.
RE: November 1944
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:38 am
by John 3rd
It has been his pattern for eight months. Roughly every six weeks his carrier depart to escort the empty shipping out of the war zone, meet the incoming TFs carrying troops, supplies, and warships, and then does an exchange. I will hit the return shipping somewhere around Horn Isle.
RE: November 1944
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:06 pm
by pws1225
Good luck!
RE: November 1944
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:42 pm
by JohnDillworth
I guess that gives CR a black eye and gives you a bunch of points but you are sinking empty ships while a convoy of supplies goes forward to support the fighting. Could you ambush the incoming stuff before the protection shows up?
RE: November 1944
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:52 pm
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth
I guess that gives CR a black eye and gives you a bunch of points but you are sinking empty ships while a convoy of supplies goes forward to support the fighting. Could you ambush the incoming stuff before the protection shows up?
I'd prefer sinking laden ships to empty ones, of course. Who wouldn't? But I'd also prefer sinking empty ships to laden ones that are heavily escorted. You dance with who you brought, not who you wish you would have brought.
RE: November 1944
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:04 pm
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Notice we stage one heck of a nice ambush over Ternate this day.
Vitamin A-20 for your fighters! Delightful! [&o]
Nice shootin' Tex.
RE: November 1944
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:17 pm
by John 3rd
It was pleasant to watch. Doesn't happen nearly as often as time passes.
My goal is to seriously load up on some VP and crap all over his re-supply planning.
RE: November 1944
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:00 am
by palioboy2
Plus those ships are empty now but sinking a fleet of xAKs will throw a serious wrench into the timing of his logistics even if they are empty.
RE: November 1944
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:52 am
by Mike McCreery
ORIGINAL: palioboy2
Plus those ships are empty now but sinking a fleet of xAKs will throw a serious wrench into the timing of his logistics even if they are empty.
Honestly, at this point it wont have any significant effect full or empty.
RE: November 1944
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:26 am
by JohnDillworth
If the Chinese are attacking in numbers and winning they have upgraded to their 1943 squads. If so that means China is flush with supply and it is not coming from Australian convoys. You might be able to pinch distribution but the supply war is over for the Allies. Speaking of supply in China what does your situation look like for the empire in China?
RE: November 1944
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:42 am
by obvert
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
It was pleasant to watch. Doesn't happen nearly as often as time passes.
My goal is to seriously load up on some VP and crap all over his re-supply planning.
If you can make the VP math work out this is really useful in the late war. The Allies are trying to get to 2:1 so if you're sinking ships and gaining VPs for that activity (assuming there is no opportunity cost loss for having your ships/planes there to sink them) then it makes it harder for the Allies to gain.
If though these forays are taking vital forces away from defence of strategic concerns at home, then you're gains might be offset by massive bombing, landings and other VP gains that these forces could help offset back there.
All depends on what he's giving you and what he's taking. [:)]
RE: November 1944
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:46 am
by John 3rd
ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth
If the Chinese are attacking in numbers and winning they have upgraded to their 1943 squads. If so that means China is flush with supply and it is not coming from Australian convoys. You might be able to pinch distribution but the supply war is over for the Allies. Speaking of supply in China what does your situation look like for the empire in China?
If though these forays are taking vital forces away from defence of str
Supply was fairly good to start with but now is getting scarce. Only gonna get worse there...
November 30, 1944
Twelve Tankers drop anchor at Tokyo and nearly 150,000 Fuel and Oil begin to be delivered.
RE: November 1944
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:48 am
by John 3rd
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
It was pleasant to watch. Doesn't happen nearly as often as time passes.
My goal is to seriously load up on some VP and crap all over his re-supply planning.
If you can make the VP math work out this is really useful in the late war. The Allies are trying to get to 2:1 so if you're sinking ships and gaining VPs for that activity (assuming there is no opportunity cost loss for having your ships/planes there to sink them) then it makes it harder for the Allies to gain.
If though these forays are taking vital forces away from defence of strategic concerns at home, then you're gains might be offset by massive bombing, landings and other VP gains that these forces could help offset back there.
All depends on what he's giving you and what he's taking. [:)]
Does it truly matter at this point? I cannot stop/fight his forces in a toe-to-toe match. I'm trying to set my sights on some sort of attack that might see some benefit for the loss potential. The fate of my Kongo's show what lies in front of Japan if the remains of the Kaigun are committed to a head-on assault.
RE: November 1944
Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:50 am
by John 3rd
November 30, 1944
This day, a squadron of Ventura's gets jumped by a detached Daitai of Sams over Dobadura. The squadron doesn't have many survivors.
