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Checking other TF's I found another TF with the same problem but this time it's going to Cebu with the tanks.
It's a bigger port but still I envision the sailors pushing them over the side just to be able to leave the
port without them.

I took down Lingayen last night and now this morning I'm taking inventory and
notice that my boys are low on supply and need a rest for a minute. I've
got to decide where to send them if anywhere. I need better recon of some
places to decide what to do with the people at Lingayen that I'm responsible
for and everything.

I was thinking of pushing to the west for the ports and airfields that might
come in handy in the attemts to take down Manila and Bataan. This portends
to be a long campaign and I'm just getting started in the hard fighting
ahead.

I put the pieces of the 21st Division together at Aparri and they are on
their way to Cabanatuan to the NE of Manila where they will garrison until
I decidee what to do next.

I've got enough at Liingayen to protect themselves but if start to split them
up to go after western targets the AV might drop low enough for Brian to get
adventuresome and he might try something or other. Just to show me he's
still got a bite as well as a bark.

Bottom line: I need more recon of the terrain around Lingayen and south
before an informed decision can be made. For right now they stay put, rest,
refit, couple days in the rack, good as new.

Here's the 25th Army and all it's units. Notice the missing HQ units? Not a one in the heap of units. One
wonders who is in charge. This might explain the attack modifier "leaders(-)" in my combat report. The attack
at Vientane involved an Armour unit and I checked out it's leader and he's one of the best I have already. It
probably doesn't apply to him. I'm guessing.

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

I was checking the TF's again just now because I found another one with the
"do not unload" turned on again. About three TF's have made it to the hex,
stayed overnight, and then left the next morning like they knew what they
were doing. I caught them before they got too far but still. But three
out of about 15 or so isn't all that bad, yet. I've started checking them
every turn.

Anyway, TF 15 just now I noticed, has a cargo of tanks and it's loaded
amphibiously and all that and it's a level 2 port but still I'm not sure
those lighters are going to cooperate at the docks. Those tanks might not
unload. I may have to divert them to Wewak and drive them over to Hollandia.

I think they definitely will unload.

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

The sub attacks have gotten out of hand around the home islands. I get four or five contacts per day and some of
them sinks a ship or two per turn. I've started laying mines in likely sub places in the water to discourage the
movement of the subs. Maybe sink one or two.

I suspect that's a plain waste of much precious and limited mines.

Mine only on shallow waters, and where the ACM contribute is present. My policy.

Mines stockpile is important to me. Maybe in RHS Japan has a higher mines production rate, but I doubt that to be moddable.

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

Here's the 25th Army and all it's units. Notice the missing HQ units? Not a one in the heap of units. One
wonders who is in charge. This might explain the attack modifier "leaders(-)" in my combat report. The attack
at Vientane involved an Armour unit and I checked out it's leader and he's one of the best I have already. It
probably doesn't apply to him. I'm guessing.

Maybe a mod design's overview?

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson
The sub attacks have gotten out of hand around the home islands. I get four or five contacts per day and some of
them sinks a ship or two per turn. I've started laying mines in likely sub places in the water to discourage the
movement of the subs. Maybe sink one or two.

I suspect that's a plain waste of much precious and limited mines.

Mine only on shallow waters, and where the ACM contribute is present. My policy.

Mines stockpile is important to me. Maybe in RHS Japan has a higher mines production rate, but I doubt that to be moddable.

I thought the same thing too and my using mines this way is of course only temporary. I'm losing three AK's per day
to sub attacks and I needed a break. I just thought maybe some mines would make him think twice about coming so
close to my home islands. Otherwise, you have good advice for me and I thank you. Muchly.

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson
Here's the 25th Army and all it's units. Notice the missing HQ units? Not a one in the heap of units. One
wonders who is in charge. This might explain the attack modifier "leaders(-)" in my combat report. The attack
at Vientane involved an Armour unit and I checked out it's leader and he's one of the best I have already. It
probably doesn't apply to him. I'm guessing.

Maybe a mod design's overview?

That's what I'm hoping happened. HQ's are more important than I'm treating them in this game. But I can change.

Time to shift to med-big well escorted merchant convoys?
Slower, time and efforts consuming, but efficient in the long term?

How's your ASW air patrols and arches around home waters?

(BTW all of this was not applied by IJN, and maybe not realistic)

Have you set your home islands transport and cargo runs on coastal route only?

Any PBs or AMc/CMcs ASW patrols along coastla HI routes (mind the commanders)? If escort DDs, even better!

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

Here's the 25th Army and all it's units. Notice the missing HQ units? Not a one in the heap of units. One
wonders who is in charge. This might explain the attack modifier "leaders(-)" in my combat report. The attack
at Vientane involved an Armour unit and I checked out it's leader and he's one of the best I have already. It
probably doesn't apply to him. I'm guessing.

The 25th Army HQ itself wont be on this list because its attached to Southern Army. It should be on its way to Singapore
in Malaya somewhere and it has a pretty good leader so it better be there[&o] I hope so anyway [:)]


EDIT: the above is using info from stock scenarios where the 25th lands in Malaya with a prep for Singapore
if this is different in RHS I apologize for the wrong assumptions and spreading misinformation.

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner
Time to shift to med-big well escorted merchant convoys?
Slower, time and efforts consuming, but efficient in the long term?

I hadn't thought of that. Good of you to say something thanks. Um.....
I can see that working from the home islands to several of the hubs but
from the hubs to the final station(s) the routes are varied. But I'll
see what I can do to get some larger convoys together. It just dawns on
me that all the auto-convoy TF's are unescorted for the most part. Maybe
if I quit using that system altogether and do it by hand. Just the thought
of having to micro-manage like that makes my eye twitch.

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner
How's your ASW air patrols and arches around home waters?

I've moved a bunch of float planes to the coast areas and have established
search patterns and I've launched three ASW TF's into the waters around
the south coast of the home islands and as you and I discussed earlier I've
laid some mines in the coastal waters just to discourage Brian a little bit.
I'll post a picture to show you what I mean.

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner
(BTW all of this was not applied by IJN, and maybe not realistic)

I'm not that good a student of the PTO to be able to judge whether or
not it's realistic but from what Brian's subs are doing I'm all of a
sudden wondering how realistic is what Brian is doing. The home islands
waters can't be crossed without a loss going both ways. Even with escorts.
Most of the time it's a "hit but no explosion" but two or three AK's per day
are sunk by his subs. I just felt like I had to try to DO something about it.

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner
Have you set your home islands transport and cargo runs on coastal route only?

Short answer: no. I don't have any home islands transport runs. I've been
letting the auto-convoy system handle the shorter-ranged runs and I've been
dispatching the longer-ranged TF's to the hubs. Pescadores, Cam Ranh Bay,
Babeldoab, and Truk. I need to start including Samah in the list soon.

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner
Any PBs or AMc/CMcs ASW patrols along coastla HI routes (mind the commanders)? If escort DDs, even better!

Yeah, I've got three ASW TF's in the coastal waters. I point the patrol to
the hex in which I can see an Allied sub. That's how brazen they are. I've
spotted up to four at a time along the south coastal waters.

Here's a picture of the search patterns and patrols. The subs that were in
the immediate area of the patrols have disappeared off my radar so I'm going
after the known targets to the west. The search patterns leave a little bit
to be desired I know but I've got the longer-ranged birds out in the far
reaches of the kingdom right now. I need a couple of squadrons of Hudsons
or something.

ORIGINAL: nikoslejeune

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

Here's the 25th Army and all it's units. Notice the missing HQ units? Not a one in the heap of units. One
wonders who is in charge. This might explain the attack modifier "leaders(-)" in my combat report. The attack
at Vientane involved an Armour unit and I checked out it's leader and he's one of the best I have already. It
probably doesn't apply to him. I'm guessing.

The 25th Army HQ itself wont be on this list because its attached to Southern Army. It should be on its
way to Singapore in Malaya somewhere and it has a pretty good leader so it better be there I hope so anyway.

EDIT: the above is using info from stock scenarios where the 25th lands in Malaya with a prep for Singapore
if this is different in RHS I apologize for the wrong assumptions and spreading misinformation.

Your clue about the Southern Army helped me find it. There's no Southern Army in RHS but there IS a Southern
Expeditionary Army and IT had the 25th Army listed as at Alor Star and sure enough bigger
than Dallas there it was. I'll have to move it further to the south to allow it to take part in the take-down
instead of loitering at Alor Star.

Usually the main resource sources for your industries are in Hokkaido (the no. 1), Fusan in Southern Korea, and Sakhalin for a lessen part.

The routes leading from those locations to let's say Tokyo or Osaka can all be set to"coastal".


Probably the dreadful Automatic Convoy System was the realistic one used by the Japanese for the good and worse part of the war, and those are the results you get in terms of lost shipping!

Mainly now you are providing GP with the submariners paridise and nirvana, he should be well satisfied for the while by those results.


Automatic Convoy has its virtues, alas, in that that it spares you from pain stacking convoy and escorts setting, + overtime your targets get such an amount of supply you'd be really fond and happy of for no pain - save for the dripping of your frieghters.



You'd like to review this recent
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as for an historical appraisal of ASW warfare in PTO as opposed to game's options

(+ this for fun:tm.asp?m=4360437&mpage=1&#4361163)

note please in particular post # 50 by InfiniteMonkey; following that, Makeelearn posted some most noticable documents regarding Sub warfare in the Pacific, among all the Submarine Report by the Navy Department (posts 34-36).


But above all, I found

[center]THIS: [/center] the Japanese insider and qualified appreciatioin of their failed ASW efforts

http://dreadnoughtproject.org/friends/d ... %20asw.pdf

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

Look at the composition of the HQ;

this mod is driving me MAD and nuts!

What's Axis A/C observers?

There's also and Aviation support Section (not that small at all);
maybe RHS has provided for spotter and liason plane units as well??!?

(I'm nuts!)

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner
Usually the main resource sources for your industries are in Hokkaido (the no. 1), Fusan in Southern Korea, and Sakhalin for a lessen part.

The routes leading from those locations to let's say Tokyo or Osaka can all be set to"coastal".

Oh. I get it now. I figured out what you meant by coastal etc. That's a
great idea I'll use it of course.

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner
Probably the dreadful Automatic Convoy System was the realistic one used by the Japanese for the good and worse part of the war, and those are the results you get in terms of lost shipping!

Mainly now you are providing GP with the submariners paridise and nirvana, he should be well satisfied for the while by those results.

Automatic Convoy has its virtues, alas, in that that it spares you from pain stacking convoy and escorts setting, + overtime your targets get such an amount of supply you'd be really fond and happy of for no pain - save for the dripping of your frieghters.

You've described it just right. I've given up on the ACS system thing. I've
figured out how to provide Osakka TF's with escorts but Osaka is hurting for
supplies right now and I can't use the ACS anyway.

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner
You'd like to review this recent
tm.asp?m=4357430&mpage=2?
as for an historical appraisal of ASW warfare in PTO as opposed to game's options

(+ this for fun:tm.asp?m=4360437&mpage=1?)

note please in particular post # 50 by InfiniteMonkey; following that, Makeelearn posted some most noticable documents regarding Sub warfare in the Pacific, among all the Submarine Report by the Navy Department (posts 34-36).


But above all, I found

[center]THIS: [/center] the Japanese insider and qualified appreciatioin of their failed ASW efforts

http://dreadnoughtproject.org/friends/d ... %20asw.pdf

Many thanks for the links. I'll check 'em out.

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner
Look at the composition of the HQ;

this mod is driving me MAD and nuts!

What's Axis A/C observers?

There's also and Aviation support Section (not that small at all);
maybe RHS has provided for spotter and liason plane units as well??!?

(I'm nuts!)

Yeah, I quite agree. Somebody went to a lot of trouble to make it
this way however so I'm giving Sid, et. al. the benefit of the
doubt for now. Did I happen to mention that some of the bases have
new names now? Babeldoab is now Karor and that's just the first
change of about a 100 of them. I have no idea what the thinking
was for the name change and I'll eventually get used to it and it's
not all that agravating it's just a learning curve I don't need for
the first game of RHS against Brian. Who is teaching me a lot by the
way. Send some healing vibrations his way, his right arm hurts.

Don't please misunderstand:

I like it (this mod) soo much!


Right arm pains?

You know how to establish a CS (continous Supply?) convoy, dont you?

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner
Don't please misunderstand:

I like it (this mod) soo much!

I like it too. It's just that I'm trying to do about three dozen things
all simultaneously and really didn't need the bases to change names.

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner
Right arm pains?

The rotor-cuff of his right arm was torn at some point in his life I
gather from what he has told me and moving the mouse around as much
as all we do aggravates his wound. He says it hurts, tingles, burns,
etc. So he has to take frequent breaks. Which is okay with me. I
get a better game in the long run even though it's sometimes just one
move a day. BTW, He's playing Michael PBEM too. So I feel for him.

ORIGINAL: adarbrauner
You know how to establish a CS (continous Supply?) convoy, dont you?

Yes I do and I'm using them all over the place up and down the map. My
problem with that is that the ships accumulate a lot of minor damage
on even the shortest trip somewhere and I'm a perfectionist and HAVE to
repair all damage of any kind at every opportunity just to keep the
ships in tippy-top shape, give them every advantage I can to fight this
war.