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ORIGINAL: zuluhour
It's time for me to reread everything on supply again. I have to wonder what
his infiltrators are receiving in this regard. I assume it's coming from Nanyang.
The large stack is on the road, it's last hex. The "westernmost" is adjacent to them so only 1 hex off-road. Crossing the river puts the main stack off-road and the westernmost possibly out of supply but I haven't bothered to try and calculate it.ORIGINAL: jwolf
ORIGINAL: zuluhour
It's time for me to reread everything on supply again. I have to wonder what
his infiltrators are receiving in this regard. I assume it's coming from Nanyang.
The problem is that they don't need a lot. Really, not even any at all until or unless they are involved in actual combat. And even then, the risk is not all that high.
Just use the "5" key to see the supply flow from Nanyang. The numbers represent the theoretical amount that can arrive at each hex if you start with 100 at Nanyang. Note that competing demands for that supply may mean that less arrives because other units get some or all of it. But the AI tried not to let units starve so if they are truly out of supply I think they get a token amount each turn, if there is a supply path.ORIGINAL: witpqs
The large stack is on the road, it's last hex. The "westernmost" is adjacent to them so only 1 hex off-road. Crossing the river puts the main stack off-road and the westernmost possibly out of supply but I haven't bothered to try and calculate it.ORIGINAL: jwolf
ORIGINAL: zuluhour
It's time for me to reread everything on supply again. I have to wonder what
his infiltrators are receiving in this regard. I assume it's coming from Nanyang.
The problem is that they don't need a lot. Really, not even any at all until or unless they are involved in actual combat. And even then, the risk is not all that high.
You may be right. I haven't done a PBEM.ORIGINAL: witpqs
I will try that but I thought the 5 key was disabled for PBM because it was leaking Intel about un-spotted units?
It's not worth starting a game to do that, the formula was given by the developers. Here is what I have, after some editing as they made small changes after first releasing it.ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
You may be right. I haven't done a PBEM.ORIGINAL: witpqs
I will try that but I thought the 5 key was disabled for PBM because it was leaking Intel about un-spotted units?
He could start a non-pbem game and check it out though. The numbers should be the same as they are based on calculations taking into account terrain and roads/rail.
Each receiving base that is in range of a base that has excess supplies and needs supplies will get them.
1st. every base that needs 1x requirement gets 1x. So this is one big loop through all bases so as to get maximum coverage and that every base gets at least 1x previously this was 3x only. Sending base will not send any supplies that would dip into its own 3x requirement and if add supply is being used then sending base guards up to 4x.
2nd every base that can get 3x or some portion there of will get it. So this is another big loop to see if we can get bases up to at least 3x requirement. Sending base will not send any supplies that would dip into its own 3x requirement.
3rd. every base that is eligible for excess normally this is big major bases or bases with the highest spoilage limit previously there was no check before sending supplies to small bases. Sending base will not send any supplies that would dip into its own 3x requirement.
4th. One final big loop through all bases to resupply LCUs and whatever base the LCU is at is the only base it can draw supplies from previously there was no restriction. If LCU is in non-base hex or enemy then no restriction. Sending base will guard up to 20 supply points meaning if a unit can be supplied and base has it then unit gets it, previously base had to have above 3x.
In each big loop except for the 4th the amount that can be sent is modified by Prim HQ of base (just like witp) and if present adds an extra 25k to requirement and we check for max draw and we check spoilage limit at base receiving base.
How far a base can receive supplies is determined by tracing a supply cost path starting value used is 100 just like witp. There are three different ranges used throughout each week 89 which is very short range and happens 4 times a week, 49 which is medium range and happens twice a week and 10 which is long range which happens once per week. These values are the minimum required trace value from sending base to receiving base and the trace value must be equal to or greater than this to receive supplies so you may notice that some bases only get supplies 3 times or in some cases once per week.
Using the add supply button means first the base will try and get 1x requirement then during the 3x loop it will try and get 3x whatever is in that field so a base has 1000 normal requirement and I press the add supply to 1000 making new requirement of 2000 thus 1x + 3x = 2000 + 6,000 = 8,000 that the base will try and get.
Short range is trace value of 89 - 100 and is used 4 times per week.
Medium range is trace value 49 - 100 and is used 2 times per week.
Long range is trace value 10 - 100 and is used 1 time per week.
ORIGINAL: witpqs
I will try that but I thought the 5 key was disabled for PBM because it was leaking Intel about un-spotted units?
The Tapanoeli Cdo is now moving on to Medan.Tandjoengbalai is occupied by the Allies
Our guys are over stacked 25,688 on 25,000. Mouse-over shows 36,000 enemy infantry in the hex so the Empire should be pouring supplies in until it hurts. Our units' fatigue ratings are in single digits so I guess we got a very bad die roll on that minus.Ground combat at 72,50 (near Kweiyang)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 32810 troops, 264 guns, 69 vehicles, Assault Value = 1014
Defending force 22818 troops, 76 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 704
Japanese adjusted assault: 181
Allied adjusted defense: 2131
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 11
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Japanese ground losses:
8172 casualties reported
Squads: 150 destroyed, 423 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 59 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 39 disabled
Guns lost 55 (11 destroyed, 44 disabled)
Vehicles lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
535 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 47 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Assaulting units:
116th Division
15th Division
39th/A Division
Defending units:
60th Chinese Corps
94th Chinese Corps
35th Group Army
Sub attack near Phuket at 48,67
Japanese Ships
xAK Kaiko Maru, Torpedo hits 1
xAK Keisyo Maru
DD Yamagumo
Allied Ships
SS Truant
SS Truant launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Kaiko Maru
Truant diving deep ....
DD Yamagumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamagumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamagumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamagumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Yamagumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
Crossed my mind too. My guys have meager supply there and also had a supply(-). With that and the overall situation, available forces, etc better to keep the strength and pin them there.ORIGINAL: zuluhour
One of the great conundrums of the game, when is it viable for the Chinese
to counter attack. It's easy to sit tight, harder to give the order. That's
a lot of disruption and he can't have a better supply situation than yesterday.
I know I would be hesitant, but it would definitely cross my mind....
With 95 flotation damage, Bulmer is in escort with three other APD's to try and make Sydney.Sub attack near Port Kembla at 90,170
Japanese Ships
SS I-175, hits 1
Allied Ships
APD Bulmer, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
APD Alden
SS I-175 launches 2 torpedoes at APD Bulmer
APD Alden fails to find sub, continues to search...
APD Alden fails to find sub, continues to search...
APD Alden fails to find sub, continues to search...
APD Alden attacking submerged sub ....
APD Alden is out of ASW ammo
APD Alden fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub
Ground combat at Cebu (80,86)
Allied Bombardment attack
Attacking force 5600 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 196
Defending force 9901 troops, 73 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 393
Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Assaulting units:
81st PA Infantry Division
Cebu Constabulary
1st Port Maint Engineer Battalion
Defending units:
146th Infantry Regiment
1st Formosa Inf. Rgt /1
47th Infantry Rgt /1
Ground combat at Bandjermasin (60,99)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 4050 troops, 37 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 126
Defending force 1435 troops, 4 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 32
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0
Japanese adjusted assault: 99
Allied adjusted defense: 13
Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Bandjermasin !!!
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed
DB-7B: 3 destroyed
Do-24K-1: 1 destroyed
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
64 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
1278 casualties reported
Squads: 31 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 80 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (5 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 2
Assaulting units:
21st/A Division
Defending units:
S Borneo KNIL Battalion
Oelin ML Base Force
Ground combat at 52,101 (near Semarang)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 12674 troops, 104 guns, 54 vehicles, Assault Value = 364
Defending force 733 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 4
Japanese adjusted assault: 279
Allied adjusted defense: 2
Japanese assault odds: 139 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-)
Allied ground losses:
373 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 18 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3
Units destroyed 1
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
Assaulting units:
Imperial Guards Division
Defending units:
A-III-Ld AA Battalion
IX KNIL Battalion
Andir ML Base Force
Tjiitjap KM Base Force
Ground combat at 61,46 (near Lashio)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 4070 troops, 32 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 255
Defending force 1182 troops, 0 guns, 10 vehicles, Assault Value = 3
Japanese adjusted assault: 13
Allied adjusted defense: 16
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)
Allied ground losses:
39 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Assaulting units:
112th Infantry Regiment
33rd/B Division
Defending units:
Upper Burma BAF Battalion
Burma Corps
Sub attack near Phuket at 47,69
Japanese Ships
xAK Kaiko Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
Allied Ships
SS Trusty
xAK Kaiko Maru is sighted by SS Trusty
SS Trusty launches 2 torpedoes
Ground combat at Cebu (80,86)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 12095 troops, 84 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 401
Defending force 5618 troops, 39 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 199
Japanese adjusted assault: 227
Allied adjusted defense: 225
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 2
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)
Japanese ground losses:
263 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Allied ground losses:
554 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 53 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Assaulting units:
47th Infantry Regiment
1st Formosa Inf. Regiment
146th Infantry Regiment
Defending units:
81st PA Infantry Division
Cebu Constabulary
1st Port Maint Engineer Battalion
ORIGINAL: witpqs
Each receiving base that is in range of a base that has excess supplies and needs supplies will get them.
1st. every base that needs 1x requirement gets 1x. So this is one big loop through all bases so as to get maximum coverage and that every base gets at least 1x previously this was 3x only. Sending base will not send any supplies that would dip into its own 3x requirement and if add supply is being used then sending base guards up to 4x.
2nd every base that can get 3x or some portion there of will get it. So this is another big loop to see if we can get bases up to at least 3x requirement. Sending base will not send any supplies that would dip into its own 3x requirement.
3rd. every base that is eligible for excess normally this is big major bases or bases with the highest spoilage limit previously there was no check before sending supplies to small bases. Sending base will not send any supplies that would dip into its own 3x requirement.
4th. One final big loop through all bases to resupply LCUs and whatever base the LCU is at is the only base it can draw supplies from previously there was no restriction. If LCU is in non-base hex or enemy then no restriction. Sending base will guard up to 20 supply points meaning if a unit can be supplied and base has it then unit gets it, previously base had to have above 3x.
In each big loop except for the 4th the amount that can be sent is modified by Prim HQ of base (just like witp) and if present adds an extra 25k to requirement and we check for max draw and we check spoilage limit at base receiving base.
How far a base can receive supplies is determined by tracing a supply cost path starting value used is 100 just like witp. There are three different ranges used throughout each week 89 which is very short range and happens 4 times a week, 49 which is medium range and happens twice a week and 10 which is long range which happens once per week. These values are the minimum required trace value from sending base to receiving base and the trace value must be equal to or greater than this to receive supplies so you may notice that some bases only get supplies 3 times or in some cases once per week.
Using the add supply button means first the base will try and get 1x requirement then during the 3x loop it will try and get 3x whatever is in that field so a base has 1000 normal requirement and I press the add supply to 1000 making new requirement of 2000 thus 1x + 3x = 2000 + 6,000 = 8,000 that the base will try and get.
Short range is trace value of 89 - 100 and is used 4 times per week.
Medium range is trace value 49 - 100 and is used 2 times per week.
Long range is trace value 10 - 100 and is used 1 time per week.
I think they run in both directions of whatever list they use. Whether that is each time or on alternate times I am not sure - I don't remember precisely what they wrote, but I do recall they mentioned going in both directions so that the same bases (/units) don't get shortchanged every time.ORIGINAL: hartwig.modrow
ORIGINAL: witpqs
Each receiving base that is in range of a base that has excess supplies and needs supplies will get them.
1st. every base that needs 1x requirement gets 1x. So this is one big loop through all bases so as to get maximum coverage and that every base gets at least 1x previously this was 3x only. Sending base will not send any supplies that would dip into its own 3x requirement and if add supply is being used then sending base guards up to 4x.
2nd every base that can get 3x or some portion there of will get it. So this is another big loop to see if we can get bases up to at least 3x requirement. Sending base will not send any supplies that would dip into its own 3x requirement.
3rd. every base that is eligible for excess normally this is big major bases or bases with the highest spoilage limit previously there was no check before sending supplies to small bases. Sending base will not send any supplies that would dip into its own 3x requirement.
4th. One final big loop through all bases to resupply LCUs and whatever base the LCU is at is the only base it can draw supplies from previously there was no restriction. If LCU is in non-base hex or enemy then no restriction. Sending base will guard up to 20 supply points meaning if a unit can be supplied and base has it then unit gets it, previously base had to have above 3x.
In each big loop except for the 4th the amount that can be sent is modified by Prim HQ of base (just like witp) and if present adds an extra 25k to requirement and we check for max draw and we check spoilage limit at base receiving base.
How far a base can receive supplies is determined by tracing a supply cost path starting value used is 100 just like witp. There are three different ranges used throughout each week 89 which is very short range and happens 4 times a week, 49 which is medium range and happens twice a week and 10 which is long range which happens once per week. These values are the minimum required trace value from sending base to receiving base and the trace value must be equal to or greater than this to receive supplies so you may notice that some bases only get supplies 3 times or in some cases once per week.
Using the add supply button means first the base will try and get 1x requirement then during the 3x loop it will try and get 3x whatever is in that field so a base has 1000 normal requirement and I press the add supply to 1000 making new requirement of 2000 thus 1x + 3x = 2000 + 6,000 = 8,000 that the base will try and get.
Short range is trace value of 89 - 100 and is used 4 times per week.
Medium range is trace value 49 - 100 and is used 2 times per week.
Long range is trace value 10 - 100 and is used 1 time per week.
Thanks for summing up this information, but I have a few questions beyond this:
1) Does anyone know what determines the sequence in which the loops are processed
a) with respect to the distributing base? (possibly base ID ?)
b) with repect to recieving bases while a given distributing base is analyzed? (possibly base ID? or weighted distance, so base with need which is closest to 100 comes first ?)
I believe it is universal (i.e. a 'long pull' day is a long pull day all over the map) but I don't know the specific schedule.
2) Does anyone know how the counter to determine whether it is a short range, medium range or long range delivery day works? Is it global for all bases and works like an assignment to the days of the week (like Short on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday; medium on Tuesday and sturday, long ond Thursday?) Or is it local, i.e. different for different bases on the list?
AFAIK and understand they go base to base dependent on range, so bases in between the two bases being calculated at that instant have no effect. That is just my understanding and could be wrong.
3) Does anyone know whether the "stockpile" button does anything apart from taking the unit from the list for the distribution loop? Specifically, does it affect transfer of supply to bases if their supply route would run through the base set to stockpile supplies ? I think I have read that the corresponding switch for resources is believed to have an influence.
I think it does. Anybody? Bueller? Beuller?
4) Does anyone know if resource/oil transfer works the same way? My intuitive answer would be "no", because my feeling is that it takes a bit of manipulation to make it flow into the right direction.
Sorry for the Hijack.
Hartwig