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I would break out going South from Singers, perhaps even up the strait & around Sumatra, either by ones & twos or by a feigned sacrificial breakout Eastbound/up the Eastern Malayan coast, while the important ones go South then East via Celebes sea... trying to avoid the DS or at least pull it out of position for other mischief.

I know you have search & LBA down there but at least there he could cover them with his own fighters most of the way.

JanSako wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:07 am I would break out going South from Singers, perhaps even up the strait & around Sumatra, either by ones & twos or by a feigned sacrificial breakout Eastbound/up the Eastern Malayan coast, while the important ones go South then East via Celebes sea... trying to avoid the DS or at least pull it out of position for other mischief.

I know you have search & LBA down there but at least there he could cover them with his own fighters most of the way.

That is a very telegraphed move....and for most ships traveling at a speed three a death sentence as the distance is far...the IJ airbases are all damaged, small, and unlikely to have much supply left. Best bet is a pincer move back to Cam Ranh Bay with the KB showing up to the east and the breakout moving out from Singers....I think.

krumenacker wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:55 pm
Otherwise, long time lurker finally caught up on this thread. Thank you, Lowpe, for the masterclass on spanking.

Thanks...

RangerJoe wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:26 pm

Lowpe wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:18 pm

BBfanboy wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:49 pm
Allright! Bring in the Venturas and nail those subs!

I got Zeppelins there!

Zepplins were rigid, they have a frame. The US Navy utilized nonrigid (limp) but sturdy bags in WWII for antisubmarine patrol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blimp

The three U.S. based Goodyear blimps hold over 200K cubic feet of helium. The total weight of the airship rings in at 12,840 lbs (5824 kg). However, when fully inflated with helium, the total apparent weight of the ship is typically regulated at just 100-200 pounds. If you want to look completely macho and you have connections with the higher ups at Goodyear, perhaps lying underneath one of the Goodyear blimps when inflated and bench pressing it might be in order.

https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.ph ... ear-blimp/

What does the Z stand for in ZPK?

Lowpe wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:09 pm

JanSako wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:07 am I would break out going South from Singers, perhaps even up the strait & around Sumatra, either by ones & twos or by a feigned sacrificial breakout Eastbound/up the Eastern Malayan coast, while the important ones go South then East via Celebes sea... trying to avoid the DS or at least pull it out of position for other mischief.

I know you have search & LBA down there but at least there he could cover them with his own fighters most of the way.

That is a very telegraphed move....and for most ships traveling at a speed three a death sentence as the distance is far...the IJ airbases are all damaged, small, and unlikely to have much supply left. Best bet is a pincer move back to Cam Ranh Bay with the KB showing up to the east and the breakout moving out from Singers....I think.

Of course, but he is very late trying to break out now... they should have been gone a long time ago so there are no 'good' choices now, only bad or worse.
I had success sneaking with singletons, even through airpower cause airgroups do not like to strike single ships... Of course highly trained Cats on NAV search will handle single ships so there is that.

Lowpe wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:11 pm

RangerJoe wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:26 pm

Lowpe wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 5:18 pm

I got Zeppelins there!

Zepplins were rigid, they have a frame. The US Navy utilized nonrigid (limp) but sturdy bags in WWII for antisubmarine patrol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blimp

The three U.S. based Goodyear blimps hold over 200K cubic feet of helium. The total weight of the airship rings in at 12,840 lbs (5824 kg). However, when fully inflated with helium, the total apparent weight of the ship is typically regulated at just 100-200 pounds. If you want to look completely macho and you have connections with the higher ups at Goodyear, perhaps lying underneath one of the Goodyear blimps when inflated and bench pressing it might be in order.

https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.ph ... ear-blimp/

What does the Z stand for in ZPK?

Z => Lighter than air.

ZNP-K Lighter-Than-Air Aircraft

Manufactured by Goodyear Aircraft Company, Akron, Ohio, the U.S. Navy utilized the aircraft for patrol missions. The car, attached to the bottom of the aircraft, was designed and buiilt by the Naval Aircraft Factory, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The abbreviation ZNP-K means "Z" ligther-than-air designation, "N" means non-rigid, "P" means patrol mission, and "K" was the class of airship.

During World War II, ZNP-K airships were used for anti-submarine warfare in the Battle of the Atlantic, Pacific Campaigns, and the Mediterranean Sea areas. Following the war, the "N" was dropped in April 1947, resulting in the aircraft designation becoming ZPK. After 1954, only later versions of the K-class airships were in service and attained the ZSG designation, with the "Z" meaning lighter-than-air, "S" meaning anti-submarine, and "G" representing Goodyear. Of note, during the Korean War, some new models of the airship were made with the designation of ZP4K nd ZP5K. In 1959, the last K ship, K-43, was retired.

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... znp-k.html

Compare the size to the jeep.

JanSako wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:22 pm

Lowpe wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:09 pm

JanSako wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:07 am I would break out going South from Singers, perhaps even up the strait & around Sumatra, either by ones & twos or by a feigned sacrificial breakout Eastbound/up the Eastern Malayan coast, while the important ones go South then East via Celebes sea... trying to avoid the DS or at least pull it out of position for other mischief.

I know you have search & LBA down there but at least there he could cover them with his own fighters most of the way.

That is a very telegraphed move....and for most ships traveling at a speed three a death sentence as the distance is far...the IJ airbases are all damaged, small, and unlikely to have much supply left. Best bet is a pincer move back to Cam Ranh Bay with the KB showing up to the east and the breakout moving out from Singers....I think.

Of course, but he is very late trying to break out now... they should have been gone a long time ago so there are no 'good' choices now, only bad or worse.
I had success sneaking with singletons, even through airpower cause airgroups do not like to strike single ships... Of course highly trained Cats on NAV search will handle single ships so there is that.

Don't disagree....

Single ship TFs....are very vulnerable to submarines if they don't have any ASW, and are also vulnerable to fighters and fighter bombers on low level attacks....both of which I have in place.

RangerJoe wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:58 pm
ZNP-K Lighter-Than-Air Aircraft

Manufactured by Goodyear Aircraft Company, Akron, Ohio, the U.S. Navy utilized the aircraft for patrol missions. The car, attached to the bottom of the aircraft, was designed and buiilt by the Naval Aircraft Factory, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The abbreviation ZNP-K means "Z" ligther-than-air designation, "N" means non-rigid, "P" means patrol mission, and "K" was the class of airship.

During World War II, ZNP-K airships were used for anti-submarine warfare in the Battle of the Atlantic, Pacific Campaigns, and the Mediterranean Sea areas. Following the war, the "N" was dropped in April 1947, resulting in the aircraft designation becoming ZPK. After 1954, only later versions of the K-class airships were in service and attained the ZSG designation, with the "Z" meaning lighter-than-air, "S" meaning anti-submarine, and "G" representing Goodyear. Of note, during the Korean War, some new models of the airship were made with the designation of ZP4K nd ZP5K. In 1959, the last K ship, K-43, was retired.

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... znp-k.html

Compare the size to the jeep.
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Many thanks...would have looked it up if I had the time.

Lowpe wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 6:25 pm

RangerJoe wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:58 pm
ZNP-K Lighter-Than-Air Aircraft

Manufactured by Goodyear Aircraft Company, Akron, Ohio, the U.S. Navy utilized the aircraft for patrol missions. The car, attached to the bottom of the aircraft, was designed and buiilt by the Naval Aircraft Factory, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The abbreviation ZNP-K means "Z" ligther-than-air designation, "N" means non-rigid, "P" means patrol mission, and "K" was the class of airship.

During World War II, ZNP-K airships were used for anti-submarine warfare in the Battle of the Atlantic, Pacific Campaigns, and the Mediterranean Sea areas. Following the war, the "N" was dropped in April 1947, resulting in the aircraft designation becoming ZPK. After 1954, only later versions of the K-class airships were in service and attained the ZSG designation, with the "Z" meaning lighter-than-air, "S" meaning anti-submarine, and "G" representing Goodyear. Of note, during the Korean War, some new models of the airship were made with the designation of ZP4K nd ZP5K. In 1959, the last K ship, K-43, was retired.

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... znp-k.html

Compare the size to the jeep.

Many thanks...would have looked it up if I had the time.

No problem. You were busy, you work. I was not busy although there are things I could do but then I took a nap because the birds woke me up before 4 am!

the 3rd:

Just plugging ahead forward. Did a small turn....rl problems, but focused on getting more troops to Vinh...

Sept 4th, 1943

Sweeps over Saigon, another small airstrike sinks some IJN sub chasers. Subs torpedo two lone cargo ships in different encounters around Palembang.

Fight off another attack at Vinh....steady progress here and our runways are open.

Sept 5th, 1943

Breakout from Singers....

Many sub attacks, but not very many hits...but a large force is moving due east of Singers...

Submarine attack near Tioman Island at 52,84

Japanese Ships
xAK Azuchisan Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS KXIV

xAK Azuchisan Maru is sighted by SS KXIV
SS KXIV launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Azuchisan Maru


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Submarine attack near Singkep at 50,88

Japanese Ships
xAKL Korei Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire

Allied Ships
SS Cabrilla

Another sub win...

Heavy bombing of the 4th Guards Division...which has been forced to retreat twice...

We get a morning and afternoon strike....the afternoon strike loses a few more planes as the escorts aren't so thick...Japan is using their 3 speed ships as a CAP trap.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Terempa at 54,84

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 7
A6M8 Zero x 2
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 26
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 50

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 170
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 29
SBD-3 Dauntless x 15
SBD-5 Dauntless x 20
TBF-1 Avenger x 48

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 8 destroyed
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 3 destroyed, 4 damaged
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Hohuku Maru, Bomb hits 1
xAK Giyu Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Mito Maru
xAK Yamakuni Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
E Saga, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Ginyo Maru
xAK Hokusin Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Hamburg Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Glasgow Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAK Toyotu Maru
xAK Yamura Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Chuko Maru, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Nako Maru #2, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Florida Maru
TK Fukko Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Momoyama Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire
xAK Satsuma Maru
xAK Eihuku Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Kaimei Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Tonegawa Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Tokati Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAK Marei Maru
TK San Pedro Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK San Francisco Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Sinsei Maru

Afternoon strike:

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Terempa at 54,84

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 6
A6M8 Zero x 2
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 22
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 41

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 66
TBF-1 Avenger x 41

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 5 destroyed
TBF-1 Avenger: 4 destroyed, 12 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
xAK Kaimei Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Yuzan Maru
xAK Kizan Maru
xAK Jusan Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAK Ada Maru
xAK Anzan Maru #2
xAK Satsuma Maru
xAK Kisogawa Maru
xAK Enzyu Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
xAK Tomitu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Marei Maru
xAK Tokati Maru, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk

Bombers strike Medan...

And we grab more bases!

Our submarines have a field day in the afternoon nailing ships left right and center!

Submarine attack near Terempa at 54,84

Japanese Ships
xAK Momoyama Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Steelhead

Submarine attack near Muntok at 49,89

Japanese Ships
xAKL Korei Maru, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Trident

Submarine attack near Palembang at 49,90

Japanese Ships
xAKL Nittatsu Maru, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Trident

xAKL Nittatsu Maru is sighted by SS Trident
SS Trident attacking xAKL Nittatsu Maru on the surface


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Sub attack near Terempa at 54,84

Japanese Ships
xAK Taian Maru, Shell hits 12, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Steelhead

SS Steelhead attacking xAK Taian Maru on the surface