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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:09 pm
by Cap Mandrake
If file execution differs after the patch, them are the breaks. Neither player will have gained an unfair advantage by prior knowledge. Rerunning the file multiple times on the same patch should yield the same result.
As it stands now, GJ has gained a HUGE advantage by landing troops with zero disruption, even if his leaders are messed up. Even with poor leaders it would take the 3rd Guards Tank Army, tactical nukes and Marshall Zhukov to move 9 divisions.
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:34 pm
by Knucles2
:::sigh:::
I'm finally current with this AAR and now it stalls.
I hope you guys can find a work around.
Whatever happens, this has been a truely epic ride...thanx for posting it .
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:07 am
by Nemo121
Greyjoy, as re: Shirley ----
Shirley you can't be serious.
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:07 am
by GreyJoy
Ok Guys, we have a beta for us that should solve the problem. However, after some tests, we need to re-enter the orders for the last turn (air battle of Hakodate and landings at Hachinoe)... as you may understand, the surprise is now lost and the landings could go really worse than before...
Bad luck...really...
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:13 am
by GreyJoy
So guys...finger crossed and let's all hope that the landings will go as smooth as they went...
If nothing changes (very difficult), my idea is to make a first attack asap, before he can send reinforcements in.... 6000 of my AVs (well supplied and not distrupted) should be able to inflict some damage to 6000 jap AVs...let's see...
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:15 am
by obvert
Even with the possibility that it could go badly, the landing ship losses were pretty high already. There should be some disruption and you should have your good leaders. Maybe his air attack will not fare as well, either. Never know.
Exciting that it's going forward at least. And that you two are pioneering everything I might face in several years! It must be good to have a few days break after the sprint you've been running for the past year with this game. I found it really good to get away for a few weeks at Christmas and clear my head, then come back refreshed and more focused in the new year.
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:19 am
by GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: obvert
Even with the possibility that it could go badly, the landing ship losses were pretty high already. There should be some disruption and you should have your good leaders. Maybe his air attack will not fare as well, either. Never know.
Exciting that it's going forward at least. And that you two are pioneering everything I might face in several years! It must be good to have a few days break after the sprint you've been running for the past year with this game. I found it really good to get away for a few weeks at Christmas and clear my head, then come back refreshed and more focused in the new year.
Don't know...the only thing i know is that i keep on thinking about Hachinoe and about our men stuck on the beaches, facing 250,000 japanese soldiers dug in right in front of them...
200,000 allied soldiers have landed so far. We need to bring 350,000 more and break the perimeter...cant wait[:D]
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:28 am
by Knucles2
Time travel does have its quirks, GJ
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:05 pm
by Cribtop
Assuming both players are required to enter the same orders (which is how it should be), then lack of surprise shouldn't matter. Obviously the individual battles may turn out differently, but it's not like Rader gets to order the Combined Fleet to Hachinoe or scrub the Hakodate bombing attacks in favor of nav attacks, correct?
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:20 pm
by HansBolter
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
What Palembang CD guns exist in that scenario (screenshot)? Would be interesting to compare the capabilities and reserve of these guns to those at Hashinato. Any disruption of the CD guns at Palembang that mar their effectiveness?
Also, what is the fort level in Palembang compared to Hashinato? Terrain? Both of these should significantly impact the resilience of a CD battery.
If the CD gun is not disrupted or out of supply it will shoot on. There's no discernable diminishing of effect just because the opponent has troops ashore, IMO.
I think you're comparing acorn-sized CD batteries to oak tree sized CD batteries and expecting the same observed diminishing returns. I think it's unrealistic to assume that you get that as there are many other variables at play with GreyJoy's game that you may not have experienced.
I don't want to start a fight here, but I believe you are inferring far too much from my post.
I neither compared nor expected anything.
I simply related my experience for what it's worth to anyone willing to consider it.
Believing it's of no value and discounting it is your privledge and choice.
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:32 pm
by GreyJoy
The exe michealm gave us fails to load....probably is because we're playin on the MP version and that one isn't....however we're on hold again....[:(]
Anyway crib...yes, that should be the case...however we know that even a small change in the orders given can rapresent a changed variable that changes the final outcome of the turn....anyway, there's nothing we can do about it but live with it and go on[:D]
What do u think guys....say we have those 6000allied AVs with all that armour facing in open terrain 6000jap AV with 6 forts...what could be the result of an allied deliberate attack? Should i try it before more troops get in? I think so.....
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:34 pm
by Canoerebel
You've got to try it, don't you? I mean, the odds aren't going to get any better.
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:39 pm
by GreyJoy
Well said cr!! Brave till the very end!!!!!!
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:42 pm
by Canoerebel
Too, it's not like the attack will wreck the Allied army. If it turns out badly, you'll have some disruption, but you'll recover. On the other hand, this will likely be your best chance to catch the enemy with minimal preparation for the units, probably alot of them, that are relatively recent arrivals. Go for it.
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:50 pm
by GreyJoy
Can't wait for the fixto be applied to our game....!!!
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:54 pm
by GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Too, it's not like the attack will wreck the Allied army. If it turns out badly, you'll have some disruption, but you'll recover. On the other hand, this will likely be your best chance to catch the enemy with minimal preparation for the units, probably alot of them, that are relatively recent arrivals. Go for it.
Yes, absolutely agree. Ifq i manage to take down some forts now i will have a chance when the other waves will come! Anyway, about the timings....all my LCUs are now at hakodate...my ships will get back the nexit turn so in 2 turns we will start the loading...in 6 days we'll be back in force to hachinoe!
Hurrah!!!!
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:55 pm
by pws1225
And all of us out here will be waiting to watch the action ...
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:17 pm
by Cap Mandrake
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Too, it's not like the attack will wreck the Allied army. If it turns out badly, you'll have some disruption, but you'll recover. On the other hand, this will likely be your best chance to catch the enemy with minimal preparation for the units, probably alot of them, that are relatively recent arrivals. Go for it.
How many guns do you reckon Gen. Meade has on that ridge over yonder, General?
Bomb the daylights out of the enemy units in the hex (ground attack) and the surrounding hexes with enemy units. Leave out the most disrupted division and let them rest up for a Japanese counterattack.
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:20 pm
by Canoerebel
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
How many guns do you reckon Gen. Meade has on that ridge over yonder, General?
Ouch!
RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:04 pm
by crsutton
"To be a good soldier you must love the army. To be a good commander you must be able to order the death of the thing you love." Robt. E Lee