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I think it is just business. Ukraine's economy is pretty much down the drain and military-technological cooperation with China is still a very lucrative sector - one of the few that are actually making profits for them IIRC.

Well, of course it's just business. Just like Russia buying/funding advanced military technology from there. I can imagine Russia is extremely upset about the loss of Ukraine as a military technology producer, and now China wants to swoop in and throw money around? Yeah, that's got to suck if you're Russia.

ORIGINAL: NakedWeasel

Well, of course it's just business. Just like Russia buying/funding advanced military technology from there. I can imagine Russia is extremely upset about the loss of Ukraine as a military technology producer, and now China wants to swoop in and throw money around? Yeah, that's got to suck if you're Russia.

This is definitely a good business move on the part of the Chinese - they get to export their tech to a new market (Eastern Europe), and I'm sure they're hoping they can pick up some of Ukraine's gas turbine business.

I'd rather think that they would purchase Ivchenko-Progress as a whole in the end. In the naval gas-turbine business, the GT-25000-DA-80 with 28MW was already indigenized a number of years ago as the QC-280.

Indeed. The Chinese have as much to gain from Ukrainian technology, as they do from selling their own. If I'm not mistaken, "their" carrier was constructed there. [:D]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukroboronprom

ORIGINAL: NakedWeasel

Indeed. The Chinese have as much to gain from Ukrainian technology, as they do from selling their own. If I'm not mistaken, "their" carrier was constructed there. [:D]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukroboronprom

It is also a speculation why China builds the CV instead of LHA/D as their first flat-top in their own shipyard, which is presumed correct they have easier access and knowledge to build one thanks by Ukrainians, than a smaller and less complicated 'helicopter carrier'.

If Ukraine keep doing that way, either she will runs out of ex-soviet relics, or China had developed into a level that no more desire for them, or a wild possibility -- NATO had full control of Ukraine, will issue embargo to stop ToT to China. So I think the joint cooperation is much more sensible than just giving China 'old stuffs'.

And do not forget, Russia also need China from that chaos too, consider numerous embargos locking down military developments Russia can make. Thankfully, China prefers profits over alliances, only technology and money will make sense to her, so the 'diplomatic triangle' between Russia and Ukraine is very less likely conflicted.

NATO will not mind Ukraine selling such things to China. There is no sensible reason or method to restrict the availability of trainer jets to China, and the technology involved does not grant a substantial new military advantage. When Ukrainian firms compete Russian firms out of the market for parts & labor on Russian-pattern equipment, then that takes money out of Russia's pocket and puts it into Ukraine's pocket. Such Ukrainian competition will be a real threat for Russia's defense sector in the coming years, as Ukrainian firms will have full access to Western credit markets.

We all have the clear understanding that Ukraine was a major source of defense technology for Russia, and not the other way around, right?

Some raw footages of carrier operation in Liaoning at this video:

http://youtu.be/ac18wj5GbNw

Also the 114 serial appears in a recent training pictures, this could estimate there are at least 14 of these are in active:

J-20 begins LRIP.

Yellow-primer J-20 #2101 undergoes taxi-trials. No prototypes anymore, but a LRIP plane.
A historic moment.



Service by 2017 sounds very reasonable, now.

2 New Project 22800 Corvettes Uragan & Typhoon Laid Down by Pella Shipyard for Russian Navy

Two new Project 22800 guided missile corvettes were laid down for the Russian Navy by the Pella Shipyard in St. Petersburg on December 24th, TASS reported from the shipyard on Thursday. According to the shipyard’s spokesperson, the lead ship, the Uragan, is to be commissioned by the Russian Navy in December 2017 and the first production ship, the Typhoon, in 2018.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=3401

U.S. Navy awards contract for development and systems integration for a 150 kW laser weapon system, to be installed for evaluation on the Self Defense Test Ship (USS Paul D Foster).

http://maritime-executive.com/article/n ... ons-system

New HD Video Shows PLAN Aircraft Carrier Operations Aboard Liaoning with Nine J-15 Aircraft
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=3402

Russian Navy New Mine Countermeasures Vessel Project 12700 Alexander Obukhov in Sea Trials
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=3403

Saab Offers India to Collaborate on "Sea Gripen" Naval Variant of the Gripen NG Fighter Jet
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=3404

Russian Navy Future Frigate Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov Completed 1st Phase of Trials
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=3405

Testing of BrahMos Anti-Ship Cruise Missile From Su-30MKI Delayed to Mid-2016
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=3406

Project 22800 Corvettes to be Fitted with Pantsir-M Naval Variant of Pantsir-S1 Air Defense System
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=3407

Need a little help from our Russian speaking friends.

Can somebody dig up credible information on the upgraded BM rocket systems (Tornado G, S etc) Particularly interested on munition types, guidance and range.

Thanks

Mike

Rosoboronexport Catalogue

ORIGINAL: Zaslon

Rosoboronexport Catalogue

As good a source as any... [:D]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

Need a little help from our Russian speaking friends.

Can somebody dig up credible information on the upgraded BM rocket systems (Tornado G, S etc) Particularly interested on munition types, guidance and range.

Thanks

Mike

From what I gather these are upgrade packages for the Grad (Tornado-G) and Smerch (Tornado-S), so I'd expect the warheads to stay mostly the same, even if the boosters are improved. From reading over some Russian sites I've mostly seen comments on increased automation for a reduced ready time and a smaller crew (3 men vs. 6). A lot of emphasis is placed by Splav's PR on how the vehicles can be operated fully from inside the cabin (although I note the Tornado-G still has backup optics on the launch tubes for the old-fashioned "notebook-and-pencil" artilleryman).
From some of the crew comments on the released videos (take with a grain of salt) one gets the impression that the new package includes GLONASS guidance and some volley-shaping capability (to split one salvo between several targets or engage a moving column more effectively).

Of note is the fact that the Tornado-G procurement project was put on hold by Anatoliy Serdyukov, then minister of defense, calling it "a slightly modernized Grad". The contract was later resumed in 2013, after Serdyukov left the office.

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

Need a little help from our Russian speaking friends.

Can somebody dig up credible information on the upgraded BM rocket systems (Tornado G, S etc) Particularly interested on munition types, guidance and range.

Thanks

Mike

Here is what this systems can use:

for Tornado-G
9M217 cassette with 2 self-guided elements (EFP), range 30km


9M218 cassette with 45 unguided elements (HEAT), range 30km


9M519 jammer ,1,5-120 MHz ,time of work 60min , range of jamming (for one round) 700m range 18.5km (for rocket)
9M521 with improved HE warhead (21kg) range 40km
9M522 with separated HE warhead (25kg) range 37,5km

and old
9M22U HE 20km
9M22S incendiary(cassette 150 incendiary elements) 15 km
9M28K cassete ,3 AT mines (5kg each) 20km
9M28F HE (21kg warheag) 15 km
9M43 cassette ,smokescreen , 5 smokescreen elements 20km

manufacturer site:
http://www.splav.org/en/arms/grad/m28f.asp

Tornado-U ,the same rockets as in Uragan-1M
http://www.splav.org/en/arms/uragan/index.asp

Tornado-S:
9M525 cassette Fragmentation/HE 72 elements (1,74kg each) min range 25km max range 90 km
9M526 cassette with 5 self-guided elements (EFP) min range 25km max range 90 km
9M527 cassette ,25 AT mines min range 25km max range 90 km
9M528 separated HE warhead (243kg) min range 25km max range 90 km
9M529 thermobaric warhead (243kg,diameter of field with T>1000°C -25m,time of existence 1.44 sec) min range 25km max range 90 km
9M530 penetrator HE warhead (243kg) min range 25km max range 90 km
9M531 cassette, 588 HEAT elements min range 25km max range 90 km
9M532 cassette, 20 small selfguided elements 9N232 "Gnom" (EFP)min range 25km max range 90 km
9M533 cassette, 5 selfguided elements 9N268,double spectre IR(EFP)min range 25km max range 90 km
9M534 UAV T-90, 20min/70km max height 3000m ,LLTV ,parachute landing, 90 km range (for rocket)

manufacturer site :
http://www.enics.ru/detail?product_id=36 in russian
9M542 INS guided missile , warhead 150kg ,min range 40km ,max range 120km

also there is old 70km rockets from smerch :
http://www.splav.org/en/arms/smerch/m55f.asp

keep in mind, that there is no "special" munitions for Tornado-G,U,S they just use newest ,but also can use old rockets
Mainly "Tornado" is about fast reloading (in some cases there is even disposable launcer tubes),unifications,
adding GLONASS,new command and control systems and new computers.

Thank Triode!

Mike

also small hint , Tornado-U and Tornado-S separate systems only until 2014,
after they merged in bicaliber system "Uragan-1M"(220/300)