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Shifting to Allies
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:50 am
by John 3rd
OK. Time to begin with the Allies.
Just fixed a nagging problem with the Colorado-Class. The upgrade was set to skip the first one and move to second in late-43. Brian spotted this issue and it is now fixed. Don't know how long it has been there but now we're OK there. Considering we have an additional Colorado BB (Washington), this is a good thing to fix!
We got that ID issue fixed earlier.
Are there other ALLIED bugs out there that needs to be looked at?
RE: Shifting to Allies
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:01 pm
by John 3rd
The Allies gain Washington as a Colorado-Class BB. This opens up the name of the RL Washington to another state. Nominations?
Japanese Additions to Kaigun
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:19 pm
by John 3rd
Looks like I have the final additions/changes to the Kaigun based on the Treaty changes and discussion here:
Capital Ships
BB Tosa (Kaga-Class)
BC Ishitaka (Amagi-Class)
LBC Chichibu (Chichibu-Class 2x2 16" Guns)
Carriers
Soryu Built as Hiryu-Class
CVLs Ryukaku (33 Planes) and Karasu (33 Planes)
CAs
The first two of the Mogami-Class are built as 8" CAs
CLs
There are still four Mogami-Class 6" CL with Tone and Chikuma being built as planned with 6" Turrets. These four ships start available for immediate conversion to 8" turrets but they need 90+ Days for the work to be done.
SS
Japan gains several more ML SS and 5 long-range I-Boats of the earliest classes.
RE: Japanese Additions to Kaigun
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:37 pm
by John 3rd
American Additions/Changes due to Treaty Modifications:
Capital Ships
BB Washington (Colorado-Class)
BC Constellation (Lexington-Class)
BC Constitution (Constitution-Class 4x3 12" Guns)
Carriers
CV Wasp built as Yorktown-Class
Subs
A total of 9 large Americans SS are built. There are 3 Argonaut, 3 Narwhal, and 3 Flying Fish (carrying 1 Gadfly Recon Plane)
RE: Japanese Additions to Kaigun
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:01 pm
by Admiral DadMan
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Looks like I have the final additions/changes to the Kaigun based on the Treaty changes and discussion here:
Capital Ships
BB Tosa (Kaga-Class)
BC Ishitaka (Amagi-Class)
LBC Chichibu (Chichibu-Class 2x2 16" Guns)
Carriers
Soryu Built as Hiryu-Class
CVLs Ryukaku (33 Planes) and Karasu (33 Planes)
CAs
The first two of the Mogami-Class are built as 8" CAs
CLs
There are still four Mogami-Class 6" CL with Tone and Chikuma being built as planned with 6" Turrets. These four ships start available for immediate conversion to 8" turrets but they need 90+ Days for the work to be done.
SS
Japan gains several more ML SS and 5 long-range I-Boats of the earliest classes.
Why would you not have
Soryu as her own class? The had to build her to figure out how to build
Hiryu.
RE: Shifting to Allies
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:15 pm
by btd64
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
The Allies gain Washington as a Colorado-Class BB. This opens up the name of the RL Washington to another state. Nominations?
Oregon. Because it's in the same neighborhood....GP
RE: Shifting to Allies
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:18 pm
by BillBrown
Georgia, give Dan his due.
RE: Japanese Additions to Kaigun
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:57 pm
by Kitakami
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
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CAs
The first two of the Mogami-Class are built as 8" CAs
CLs
There are still four Mogami-Class 6" CL with Tone and Chikuma being built as planned with 6" Turrets. These four ships start available for immediate conversion to 8" turrets but they need 90+ Days for the work to be done.
<snip>
Are there alternate upgrade paths in case a Japanese player does NOT want to upgrade the Mogamis and Tones to 8" rifles?
RE: Japanese Additions to Kaigun
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:40 pm
by John 3rd
YES. The conversion is optional. You can progress them as CAs or CLs.
Oregon sounds good but I have to honor my longtime opponent and christen the USS Georgia...tip of the hat to Dan!
RE: Japanese Additions to Kaigun
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:43 pm
by InfiniteMonkey
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
YES. The conversion is optional. You can progress them as CAs or CLs.
Oregon sounds good but I have to honor my longtime opponent and christen the USS Georgia...tip of the hat to Dan!
ah... politics
RE: Japanese Additions to Kaigun
Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:47 pm
by BillBrown
What is interesting is that both USS Oregon( BB-3 ) and USS Georgia( BB-15 ) were BBs constructed earlier and decommissioned.
RE: Japanese Additions to Kaigun
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:27 am
by John 3rd
So it does work...
Would the crew have called her the 'PEACH?' [:D]
RE: Shifting to Allies
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:39 am
by wdolson
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
The Allies gain Washington as a Colorado-Class BB. This opens up the name of the RL Washington to another state. Nominations?
ORIGINAL: General Patton
Oregon. Because it's in the same neighborhood....GP
The dreadnaught era USS Oregon was a museum ship in Portland when the war began and the Navy took her to scrap her for the steel. After starting the job, they decided they didn't need her for scrap and turned her into a barge instead. It was a rather ignoble end for such a notable ship. I'm sure the people of Oregon would have been thrilled to have a fast battleship named the Oregon.
Bill
RE: Shifting to Allies
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:40 am
by John 3rd
...agreed Bill but Georgia might threaten to secede again during this naming crisis. We cannot have that. It might offend a particularly charming, southern man that makes his presence known here. Sacrifices must be made--for the sake of the nation! [:'(]
RE: Shifting to Allies
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:31 pm
by John 3rd
Here is a first pass at American construction of the USS Ranger. She looks rather heavily armored and MEAN! Specs are taken from Page 231 Option 8 of Friedman's book.
RE: Shifting to Allies
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:35 pm
by ny59giants
Why is she showing up under IJN OOB, not Allies?
RE: Shifting to Allies
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:00 pm
by btd64
Why Ranger? Ranger is CV4. Which would also be a fine addition....GP
RE: Shifting to Allies
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:43 pm
by John 3rd
I've thought of bringing in the RL Ranger to the Mods.
One of the Fast BCs was to be named ranger so I went with that. If someone else has a good, appropriate name, I'll name her and the class that.
She is where she is due to not having any room in the Allied new classes area...
RE: Shifting to Allies
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:00 pm
by Admiral DadMan
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
I've thought of bringing in the RL Ranger to the Mods.
One of the Fast BCs was to be named ranger so I went with that. If someone else has a good, appropriate name, I'll name her and the class that.
The first six frigates that were built were:
Chesapeake
Constitution
President
United States
Congress
Constellation
If you decide to bring CV-4
Ranger in, I have some interesting historical and hypothetical ideas for her.
RE: Shifting to Allies
Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:06 pm
by btd64
How about USS Hawaii. The Alaska class is named after a US Territory so Hawaii is a US Territory....GP