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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:42 pm
by Canoerebel
I see the fort level dropped to six.  Did you get any info during the replay that suggested the original level?  Dropping it by one (or more) and inflicting greater casualties in a 1:2 attack is a good omen for the Allies.
 
Of course, rader will see the weakness and bring in reinforcements.
 
Good luck and good shooting!

RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:45 pm
by Smeulders
It's the loss of guns that interests me, 800 disabled, how many of those would be CD and how many regular arty/flak ?

RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:49 pm
by GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I see the fort level dropped to six.  Did you get any info during the replay that suggested the original level?  Dropping it by one (or more) and inflicting greater casualties in a 1:2 attack is a good omen for the Allies.

Of course, rader will see the weakness and bring in reinforcements.

Good luck and good shooting!


That' s why i need to bring in the second wave asap!...today will order the general loading procedure!

Hurrah!

RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:50 pm
by GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: Smeulders

It's the loss of guns that interests me, 800 disabled, how many of those would be CD and how many regular arty/flak ?


Yes, i hope some of those nasty CD guns are out of the equation for some time...i just need a week!!

RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:51 pm
by Gridley380
The Mother Of All Battles has indeed begun.


Seattle got an inch of snow. The outcome is uncertain.


Oh, and GreyJoy is invading Japan. ;-)

RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:56 pm
by GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: Gridley380

The Mother Of All Battles has indeed begun.


Seattle got an inch of snow. The outcome is uncertain.


Oh, and GreyJoy is invading Japan. ;-)

Yeah, big in japan, indeed[:D]

RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:58 pm
by Canoerebel
Can you tell us anything more about the original fort level, GJ?

RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:01 pm
by GreyJoy
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Can you tell us anything more about the original fort level, GJ?

I have no clue about that mate. I guess they were something like 6.something%.... So we brought them down to 6.0...

RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:08 pm
by Gridley380
ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Can you tell us anything more about the original fort level, GJ?

I have no clue about that mate. I guess they were something like 6.something%.... So we brought them down to 6.0...

Does it work like that? I thought you only got that message when you actually dropped a level; i.e. these must have been 7+ before the attack.

RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:19 pm
by Canoerebel
Right.  I think this message indicates that, at a minimum, forts dropped from seven to six.  But it's possible, albeit unlikely, the fort level had been even higher. I think the original fort level might have been listed during the combat replay.

Information about dropping forts is vital to your evaluation of what happened in this battle.  The fact that forts dropped, and the fact that the enemy suffered equal or greater casualties even though the Allied attack was at 1:2 odds, indicates that the attack was actually quite favorable for the Allies.

RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:22 pm
by Cap Mandrake
Wow...that is a VERY encouraging ground combat result. 1:2, fort reduction.

You actually inflcited more infantry squad losses than recieved. Ditto gun losses. You had quite a bit of infantry disruption but they will come back up to some degree by the time the second wave is ashore. This might actually work [:)]

RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:33 pm
by obvert
Looking pretty good without the bombing. With it next time, and with some time softening them up, it might be even better. Your tanks took the brunt of this one it looks like. Are they doing okay? Or are there a lot of Mech support destroyed as well?

RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:47 pm
by GreyJoy
Don't have the turn yet...so i don't know the conditions of my units...however it seemed to me from the replay that those who really took the brunt of these battle were my pioneers... An cbt engineers bn simly vaporized while frontally attacking the enemy's redoubts... Hats off for their heroism! Hope their sacrifice won't be in vain

RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:52 pm
by Cap Mandrake
GJ;

If Rader starts making noises about a PWHEX data change...do NOT fall for it. You are lucky this is a "Clear" hex. [:)] It is worse than Salerno. [:)]

In any event, do NOT let him get his artillery observers on Mt Hashikmai, which is only 8 mi from Hachinohe downtown.

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RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:27 pm
by pat.casey
Looks like you're in the battle of the buildups.
If you can keep the force ratio close to this, I think you can win.
If he can reinforce faster than you can, I think you get a stalemate.

RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:58 pm
by GreyJoy
I do think that if the bombers run hadn't been screwed up this first battle could have ended with an 1-1 andwith forts down to 5.... Which mght mean that with 9000 more AVs....and the full air support...we can hope to bring those forts down!

RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:24 pm
by JeffroK
Keep hitting him, most reinforcements will arrive in Move or Strat mode and suffer heavily from air and ground.
 
Looking at number I think its possible he has a lot of dross, AV numbers did not represent the number of units or men in the hex.
 
Note. Dont click on a LCU when ordering ground attacks, you'll get the top unit. Click on the base icon. (This only works for stacks, you may want to follow a retreating unit in a pursuit)
 
 

RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:48 pm
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
Dropping it by one (or more) and inflicting greater casualties in a 1:2 attack is a good omen for the Allies.

While I hate to offer any encouragement to the Allied dogs, I must concur with Canoerebel here. The attack is not as bad as you it could have been. Dropping forts and not being totally disrupted is a positive development for an Allied invader.

RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:36 pm
by krupp_88mm
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

GJ;

If Rader starts making noises about a PWHEX data change...do NOT fall for it. You are lucky this is a "Clear" hex. [:)] It is worse than Salerno. [:)]

In any event, do NOT let him get his artillery observers on Mt Hashikmai, which is only 8 mi from Hachinohe downtown.

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that WOULD, be a good observation point, just one problem

1) there are so many men on that beach head they dont even have to aim


RE: HAIRY TO THE BONE

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:48 pm
by JeffroK
Good place to camp out in Tsunami season  (Watched the nat geo show on it last night, blimey)