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RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:13 pm
by NormS3
Did find this online. . . .
Fleet Tug Sotoyomo (YT-9) is sunk in floating drydock YFD-2, but that was Feb 15 of 1946.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:17 pm
by Dixie
ORIGINAL: Norm3
Cassin was blown off during Pearl Harbor attack, wasn't she? Will spend a bit looking up possible others.
It's the only one that springs to mind. Didn't she fall onto USS Downes which was next to her at the time?
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:17 pm
by Don Bowen
ORIGINAL: Norm3
Cassin was blown off during Pearl Harbor attack, wasn't she? Will spend a bit looking up possible others.
Judging form your last line I might not have been only one drinking. I do have an excuse. Christmas/birthday party at work.
How about just a list of what the random mishaps maybe. I am kinda jinxed and have a wonderful ability to have that lucky roll. This way I could keep a running tab on Norm's Shipyard Mishaps.[:D]
It would be a nice Christmas/Birthday gift.
There is no specific list of "events". The items I mentioned were the rationale. It is just random additional damage, that might be enough (combined with existing damage) to cause the ship to sink. Damage to facilities is also possible.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:21 pm
by NormS3
That's the way I remember reading it.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:22 pm
by NormS3
Sorry was reading to much into your response. Please keep up the great work and forgive me for interrupting you.[&o]
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:24 pm
by Dixie
ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
....ships falling off blocks in drydock (for two points, name that ship)...[snip]
USS Stewart fell off her blocks in the drydock at Surubaya (as opposed to Cassin which was blown off by a bomb)
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:29 pm
by NormS3
Kind of funny I missed that considering I was just asking about captured ships being in AE.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:31 pm
by spence
Are there "events" at sea too? The IJN nearly lost Ise and Hyuga on the same GUNEX in the spring of 1942 - one (can't remember which had what) had a gun blow up and the the fires nearly reached the magazines...on the other, some serious flooding including a fireroom and engineroom (something tells me these two had been on somebody's list to be replaced for a fair while but somehow they could never found the money to make it happen).
And then there's Mutsu that just up and blew up one day.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:31 pm
by Don Bowen
ORIGINAL: Dixie
ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
....ships falling off blocks in drydock (for two points, name that ship)...[snip]
USS Stewart fell off her blocks in the drydock at Surubaya (as opposed to Cassin which was blown off by a bomb)
Two points! That's the one I had in mind.
I should have cited HMS Valiant in a floating drydock at Ceylon. The drydock (AFD-23, one of the big ones) collapsed under her. Valiant had to go home for repairs and AFD-23 was a total loss.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:32 pm
by NormS3
Like the Japanese Navy really needs any further help with their damage control[;)]
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:35 pm
by NormS3
Didn't know about HMS Valient. Just another reason I've been reading here for the past 2 1/2 years. I feel that I learn something new everytime I visit.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:36 pm
by DuckofTindalos
ORIGINAL: Norm3
Like the Japanese Navy really needs any further help with their damage control[;)]
I'd say they need quite a bit...
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:41 pm
by Dixie
ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
ORIGINAL: Dixie
ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
....ships falling off blocks in drydock (for two points, name that ship)...[snip]
USS Stewart fell off her blocks in the drydock at Surubaya (as opposed to Cassin which was blown off by a bomb)
Two points! That's the one I had in mind.
I should have cited HMS Valiant in a floating drydock at Ceylon. The drydock (AFD-23, one of the big ones) collapsed under her. Valiant had to go home for repairs and AFD-23 was a total loss.
Alright! Two points [8D] Maybe I should add that into my sig line [:D]
Valiant totally slipped my mind, even though I read about that only a few days ago (I've slept since then) [8|] IIRC AFD23 broke it's back in that accident.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:42 pm
by DuckofTindalos
I think I'd break my back too if a battleship fell on me...[:D]
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:43 pm
by Don Bowen
ORIGINAL: spence
Are there "events" at sea too? The IJN nearly lost Ise and Hyuga on the same GUNEX in the spring of 1942 - one (can't remember which had what) had a gun blow up and the the fires nearly reached the magazines...on the other, some serious flooding including a fireroom and engineroom (something tells me these two had been on somebody's list to be replaced for a fair while but somehow they could never found the money to make it happen).
And then there's Mutsu that just up and blew up one day.
maybe...
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:23 pm
by siRkid
Thanks just teh deatil I wanted and very very happy to see.[&o][&o]
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:11 am
by bradfordkay
"Complete loss of a ship is possible but would be very (very, very) rare."
Forgive me, but is this to be considered very, very rare as in a magazine explosion?
Hopefully, it will be even more rare...
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:29 am
by Don Bowen
ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
"Complete loss of a ship is possible but would be very (very, very) rare."
Forgive me, but is this to be considered very, very rare as in a magazine explosion?
Hopefully, it will be even more rare...
Other end of the universe. A Mutsu type event is not really modeled - we made no attempt to incorporate one-up or very rare events into routine processing.
What you do get is an occasional chance of an event during repairs that increases damage. If you get an event, there is an occasional chance that it might be severe. And, if a ship is already badly damaged, the additional damage may cause her to sink.
But, just to whet your appetite, there are events for ships at sea. The point-or-two-of-systems-damage has a dark side. Collision, grounding, engine failure, running out of grog…
And cargo handling events, too. Damage from booms or cranes collapsing (including loss of cargo), fuel or oil lines breaking, fires, such things. Rare, rare, rare, but play enough and you will see it.
In fact, you would probably have to play for years before you see all the new messages…
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:32 am
by bradfordkay
" In fact, you would probably have to play for years before you see all the new messages… "
I think that one can expect those of us WITP plankholders who are still here to be doing just that!
Oh, and when I was talking about a magazine explosion, I was not thinking of the spontaneous type like the Mutsu, but rather the seemingly prevalent one we see in combat in WITP.
RE: Admirals Edition Naval Thread
Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:27 am
by castor troy
ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
"Complete loss of a ship is possible but would be very (very, very) rare."
Forgive me, but is this to be considered very, very rare as in a magazine explosion?
Hopefully, it will be even more rare...
Other end of the universe. A Mutsu type event is not really modeled - we made no attempt to incorporate one-up or very rare events into routine processing.
What you do get is an occasional chance of an event during repairs that increases damage. If you get an event, there is an occasional chance that it might be severe. And, if a ship is already badly damaged, the additional damage may cause her to sink.
But, just to whet your appetite, there are events for ships at sea. The point-or-two-of-systems-damage has a dark side. Collision, grounding, engine failure, running out of grog…
And cargo handling events, too. Damage from booms or cranes collapsing (including loss of cargo), fuel or oil lines breaking, fires, such things. Rare, rare, rare, but play enough and you will see it.
In fact, you would probably have to play for years before you see all the new messages…
do we get a message then for those events or is it just like a cargo suddenly with 73 sys dam losing his load?