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Cool Frank.   I am fine with that.  Mostly, because I do feel that Norway would have remained independent in a situation where Copenhagen had been conquered.

Just one more question now.  If I had gotten a binding decision when I asked for it, I would have stormed the walls in Jutland and taken it before surrendering.  Is there any remedy for this, or should we just leave everything as is?

My vote for a new, historically realistic capitol would be Christiania (Oslo).

And Jutland also gets a capitol and is independently conquerable.

Frank can do whatever he wants in this case though. I am just giving historical advice.

Anyway, I don't care what happens. I am just taking notes on problems that crop up for something that I am working on.

-B2

I'd say you should try to agree with Russia on this point. Most likely he will ask you to liberate Danemark. At that point you'll be forced to liberate both provinces... Which doesn't change alot if you do or do not get that territory before he forces the peace onto you. But I'd rather not choose in these kind of situation.

I just realized of something tough... I doubt he can just cede that province to you since it's a portectorate. So it's a moot point and there's nothing we can do to rectify the situation I believe.

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Russias T23 orders sent in.

All the Best
Peter

I don't think Jutland is worth worrying about. 

Not in this game.  I will start worrying about provences and victory conditions when I play a game with the new patch.

I have a feeling once the patch comes out that this game will be abandoned rather quickly.

And like I said, I was willing to accept the ruling of the court in Vienna, whatever the outcome would be.

P.S. Swedish turn in.

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Russias T24 orders sent in.

All the Best
Peter

Hey, there is a major flaw in one of the treaty items which is preventing me from making a deal with someone.  I just talked to Eric, and it should be good with the first patch released.  If it is possible to arrange for the same effect in another way, can we do it?  I guess I am asking Franck, since he is the "judge" and I am happy to submit to his rules whatever they may be.

Waiting for Prussian ...

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Tom may be a tad delayed with his turn as his Lady is bringing home their new Baby either today or tomorrow, so in the meantime we can all wet the Babies head with Cyberpints.

All the Best
Peter

I know, he wrote me ...

Send me a PM or email with what you'd like... 

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Russias T25 orders sent in.

All the Best
Peter

Waiting for Ottomans ...

You mean the sultan hasn't sent in his turn orders?
 
The most glorious Padishah, who is the defender of the faith, whose Majesty is as great as that of Solomon, who is the substitute of God in the world, and who has justified the maxim that an equitable Sultan is the shadow of God on earth;...the supporter of Islam and Musulmans, the exterminator of heresies and of the polytheists, the Sovereign of the two Holy Cities, the Treasure of Mankind and the apple of the age, who is protected by the Supreme Being whose divine assistance men implore, and favored by the most High and propitious God?
 
He hasn't sent in his turn orders?
 

 
(actual language from a Persian treaty with the Ottoman Sultan)

My turn will be in in a few minutes, I needed turn by Monday to get it in was super busy last two days with school related stuff.  Quarter ends 6/10 for the summer.

Turk turn 25 in.  Under the terms of the surrender Im forced to declare war on the enemies of France.  Does that mean Im to cancel all treaties that make that impossible?  Isnt that what we decided when Austria was placed in a similar situation?

I canceled my agreement with Russia as required by the terms and I think thats it. Let me know if I got that wrong.

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You have to be willing to cancel Alliances to comply, you can’t be forced, if you don't, then whoever tries imposing the terms takes massive hits to GP.

EG. Austria stuck by its treaties and france is still taking losses from it.

But if you have willingly chosen to break any Alliances then I imagine you will take GP loss.

All the Best
Peter

I thought Austria canceled its agreements because we all agreed (including WCS) it was a bug giving the glory penalty to the wrong party.  They canceled their agreement with me.
 
Oh well.  Heres to the patch I guess, hope it comes soon.

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Sorry, I wasn't aware Austria had an Alliance with Turkey to break.

Not really sure where all the Bug stuff & WCS comes in to it, again, as far as I know, we only have Francks 'House rule' re captured provinces up & running in this game, but I may be wrong.

All the Best
Peter

ORIGINAL: Kingmaker

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Sorry, I wasn't aware Austria had an Alliance with Turkey to break.

Not really sure where all the Bug stuff & WCS comes in to it, again, as far as I know, we only have Francks 'House rule' re captured provinces up & running in this game, but I may be wrong.

Ok, well I thought thats what we were doing with the treaty glory bug. If Im wrong and nobody minds I could resubmit my turn 25.

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May be best to check that out with Mat, he may already have merged the files.

All the Best
Peter