RE: Castles in the Sand - Spidery(J) vs MrKane(A) no MrKane please
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:59 pm
In looking closer at the report...what altitude did the Nells go in at? And were the Jakes all on search/asw?
What's your Strategy?
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ORIGINAL: Spidery
Looking a bit more closely I see two of my carriers have a cruise speed of 1 which is going to make it hard to save them.
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
ORIGINAL: Spidery
Looking a bit more closely I see two of my carriers have a cruise speed of 1 which is going to make it hard to save them.
Ugh., Then pray for bad weather. I have got my fingers crossed...Allies might retreat...

ORIGINAL: setloz
You are right, it's not a fair exchange for you.
I don't think there's much you could do to turn this around.
...
Good luck!
Japanese Ships
CA Maya, Shell hits 1
CA Nachi, Shell hits 1
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 12
DD Hatsuyuki, Shell hits 1
DD Ayanami
DD Sagiri
DD Yugiri, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
Allied Ships
CL St. Louis, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Helena, Shell hits 6, heavy fires
CL Honolulu, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Lardner, Shell hits 1
DD Woodworth
DD Bancroft, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Sims, Shell hits 1
DD Hughes
DD Anderson
DD Hammann
Japanese Ships
CV Junyo
CV Hiyo, Shell hits 1
CVL Shoho, Shell hits 1
CS Chitose, Shell hits 3
CS Chiyoda, Shell hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Hiei, Shell hits 1
BB Kirishima
BB Ise, Shell hits 2
DD Kagero, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Arashi
DD Tanikaze
DD Arashio
DD Kasumi, Shell hits 1
DD Hibiki
DD Shinonome
Allied Ships
CL Boise
CL Phoenix
CL Nashville, Shell hits 3
DD Laffey
DD Mustin
DD Russell
DD O'Brien, Shell hits 2
DD Walke
CA Minneapolis, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires
CA Vincennes, Bomb hits 1
CA Astoria
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 3, on fire
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 42620 troops, 693 guns, 495 vehicles, Assault Value = 1034
Defending force 48505 troops, 133 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 765
Japanese adjusted assault: 491
Allied adjusted defense: 232
Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), supply(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
1083 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 133 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 67 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 24 (12 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Vehicles lost 52 (23 destroyed, 29 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
17465 casualties reported
Squads: 361 destroyed, 58 disabled
Non Combat: 526 destroyed, 89 disabled
Engineers: 26 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 18 (16 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Units retreated 7
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
Assaulting units:
37th Division
19th Division
14th Division
15th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
9th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Army
26th Field Artillery Regiment
51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
22nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
Defending units:
40th Chinese Corps
71st Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Corps
67th Chinese Corps
75th Chinese Corps
36th Group Army
Attacking force 13457 troops, 113 guns, 56 vehicles, Assault Value = 431
Defending force 41615 troops, 60 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 813
Japanese adjusted assault: 88
Allied adjusted defense: 35
Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)
Japanese ground losses:
129 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Allied ground losses:
13806 casualties reported
Squads: 369 destroyed, 37 disabled
Non Combat: 289 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 8
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
Assaulting units:
17th Division
Defending units:
46th Chinese Corps
9th Prov Chinese Corps
65th Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
70th Chinese Corps
58th Chinese Corps
53rd Chinese Corps
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps



Day Time Surface Combat, near Feni Islands at 107,127, Range 26,000 Yards
Japanese Ships
DD Yukikaze, Shell hits 1
DD Hamakaze, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
Allied Ships
CA Astoria, Shell hits 1
CA Vincennes, Shell hits 1
DD Benham
DD Ellet, Shell hits 2
DD Stack, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Sterett, Shell hits 2
Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Woodlark Island at 106,130
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 44 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes
Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 12
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA Minneapolis, Bomb hits 2, on fire
Aircraft Attacking:
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Woodlark Island at 106,130
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes
Japanese aircraft
D3A1 Val x 12
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 2 damaged
Allied Ships
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Minneapolis, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CA Minneapolis
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Woodlark Island at 106,130
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 7
D3A1 Val x 8
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
Allied Ships
CA Minneapolis, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Lang, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CA New Orleans
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Woodlark Island at 106,130
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 10
D3A1 Val x 30
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 1 damaged
Allied Ships
DD Wilson
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Lang, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Minneapolis, Bomb hits 6, heavy fires, heavy damage
Aircraft Attacking:
15 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
12 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Lang
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CA Minneapolis
Japanese ground losses:
1489 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 112 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 22 (5 destroyed, 17 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
11799 casualties reported
Squads: 497 destroyed, 52 disabled
Non Combat: 540 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 12 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 18 (13 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Units retreated 4
Defeated Allied Units Retreating!
Assaulting units:
116th Division
13th Division
104th Division
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion
28th Mountain Gun Regiment
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
11th Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
10th Mortar Battalion
Defending units:
4th Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps
26th Chinese Corps
74th Chinese Corps
DD Perkins, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
TF 183 encounters mine field at 115,138
Allied Ships
DD Case
DD Drayton
DD Mahan
CV Wasp, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
6 mines cleared
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
Good day. My experience with mine hits is that they always list ships as sunk, incorrectly...but perhaps you have enough confirming evidence. Did you hear sinking sounds?
Fires out on Zuiho?
Ground combat at 68,47 (near Kunming)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 29545 troops, 370 guns, 166 vehicles, Assault Value = 879
Defending force 16601 troops, 127 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 358
Japanese adjusted assault: 261
Allied adjusted defense: 580
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
1515 casualties reported
Squads: 14 destroyed, 140 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 22 (2 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Assaulting units:
27th Division
24th Division
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
Defending units:
1st Chinese Corps
66th Chinese Corps
ORIGINAL: Lowpe
If you manage to save your two threatened carriers, which I think you will now that the fires are out and submarines are the biggest peril, I think you have pulled off a win here.
The Americans lost a lot of carrier planes...gotta slow him down.
Gee, I am glad you spent four hours on your turn...not much you can do eh? [:D]
Spidery
I'ld count it as a draw or marginal win to me. Although the loss of a CV and a CS is bad the worse loss is of trained pilots. Particularly, as I haven't had much success getting a training program together for the IJN.
I think a lot of his carriers have upgrades in October so it wouldn't surprise me if he moved them all back to do that and his next op was launched in November.
The biggest concern I have now is that he will use a 4E strike at Rabaul port. Moonlight is currently 57% so he could try a night strike in a few days time. Zuikaku fixed 5 float last turn so will probably be able to move it before the full moon (52/39/40). Zuiho fixed 2 float last turn so it may have to stay for the moon (65/69/26).
The problem with massed 4E night strikes at Rabaul is that no matter how many nightfighters you have on duty, some of them will strike home. And a damaged CV is a big target...