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ORIGINAL: AllenK

Apologies, in the wrong thread

No, you didn't put it in the wrong thread... You wanted to upset Mr. Warspite with this action...[:D] I wonder how he reacts on seeing what happened...

He's already seen it on a WITP: AE thread but not, until now, the full story. Still, no harm in a reminder [:D]

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3663841&mpage=2

ORIGINAL: Centuur

ORIGINAL: Courtenay

My AAR shows what happens when the Germans attack Spain too late. At least in my game, the Germans had time to conquer Spain in '41. In this game, they won't. If I were the Germans, I would leave Spain alone now, swing over to Russia, and try for a '42 Barbarossa. It might work; going for Spain at this point won't. Also, a Vichy declaration now might mean there is no Free France, as there is no place for the French navy in France.

I think I agree. Declare Vichy and see what happens with the Free French. If they aren't created, that's very good for the Axis. Spain in 1942 is a very difficult thing, because it's got more units to build up a good defense. Especially if the CW can assist with the airforce and the USSR build up the forces in the common border, Germany won't have the forces necessary to conquer Spain and keep the Russian bear in it's cage...

warspite1

Interestingly I am no longer asked if I want to declare Vichy - only if I want to surrender.

That's according to the rules if there isn't an in-supply Axis landunit in Paris...

ORIGINAL: Centuur

That's according to the rules if there isn't an in-supply Axis landunit in Paris...

warspite1

Right I will check that out, I think that Spain is a forlorn hope now....

Sep/Oct 1941
Impulse: 2

The CW choose a naval and set about sending their AMPH/TRS all over the globe to bring military assets from the Empire to where they are most needed. The Dutch TRS heads for Canada to pick up an INF, a TRS already in South Africa heads for Egypt carrying another INF, while units from the UK are being prepared for transfer to the Mediterranean - specifically Gibraltar and Malta.

Sep/Oct 1941
Impulse: 2

The RN send a submarine patrol to the Italian Coast to seek out the Italian convoys from Sardinia. The RAF join the party, bringing in a Sunderland Flying boat. Fliegerkorps X send in a Bf-110 to fly cover over the convoys.

The Allies roll a 2
The Axis roll a 4

The Allies successfully find the convoy and have 6 surprise points to spend. The British want to avoid an air battle given the fighter cover in place - they spend 4 points to choose the combat type.

The final two points are used to decrease the enemy combat column.

Sep/Oct 1941
Impulse: 2

The subs get amongst the convoys and cause them to scatter (abort).

Job done, the British withdraw.

Sep/Oct 1941
Impulse: 2

There is little else for the Allies to do this turn. The Chinese Communists continue moving east to pressure the Japanese forces in northern China.

To me it felt better to increase the damage done and sink the Italian convoy. What was the original result versus the sub that you wanted to avoid?

Sep/Oct 1941
Impulse: 3

The weather roll is 3 - it's Fine everywhere.

The Germans make their intentions know by beginning to pull back in France; a declaration of Vichy is on its way!

Sep/Oct 1941
Impulse: 3

The Japanese launch a 2:1 no modifiers attack west of Kweillin. The Chinese choose the Assault table...

...its an 8. The attackers lose a unit and are disorganised, but both Chinese are destroyed.

Sep/Oct 1941
Impulse: 4

The CW undertake more naval moves to reinforce Egypt, the UK, Gibraltar and Malta. They also take the opportunity of a little Strategic bombing - and get lucky too with an attack on Hamburg.

ORIGINAL: Orm

To me it felt better to increase the damage done and sink the Italian convoy. What was the original result versus the sub that you wanted to avoid?

warspite1

If I have understood your point, I think I only had the option of decreasing the enemy combat column.

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Orm

To me it felt better to increase the damage done and sink the Italian convoy. What was the original result versus the sub that you wanted to avoid?

warspite1

If I have understood your point, I think I only had the option of decreasing the enemy combat column.

That seems odd. As long as you have enough surprise to decrease damage by a column, you have enough surprise to increase it.

Perhaps the next column up for the RN was 2 aborts instead of 1 damage (thus making the increase useless)?

ORIGINAL: composer99

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Orm

To me it felt better to increase the damage done and sink the Italian convoy. What was the original result versus the sub that you wanted to avoid?

warspite1

If I have understood your point, I think I only had the option of decreasing the enemy combat column.

That seems odd. As long as you have enough surprise to decrease damage by a column, you have enough surprise to increase it.

Perhaps the next column up for the RN was 2 aborts instead of 1 damage (thus making the increase useless)?

warspite1

Just trying to see if I can get an autosave - but to no avail. I may be wrong but I am pretty certain that was the only choice available.

Sep/Oct 1941
Impulse: 4

The German intention to switch back toward the Soviet Union is a bit of a blow. The Soviets, thinking an attack on Spain was forthcoming have been building up for an attack on Japan....

..time to switch back!

Sep/Oct 1941
Impulse: 5

The weather could not be expected to hold - and it hasn't. A throw of 9 - a mix of Rain and Storm with the exception of the South Monsoon and South Temperate zones (Fine).

The Axis have little to do but continue to order whatever units they have still organised toward their ultimate destination.

The Allies, all their key moves done, then pass with all to try and end the turn. On a throw of 1 they succeed!

Sep/Oct 1941
Impulse: Production

Germany:
INF
MIL
MECH
MOT
ART
FTR
2 x Pilot

Italy:
FTR
Pilot

Japan:
MAR DIV
2 x CARR AIR
FTR
2 x Pilot
CONV

Sep/Oct 1941
Impulse: Production

China:
INF
INF DIV

Commonwealth:
GARR
ARM
NAV
2 x CARR AIR
3 x Pilot
ATR

France:
Nothing

USA:
ARM HQ
TERR
2 x CARR AIR
8 Saved Build Points

USSR:
MOT
ART
2 x Pilot
LND