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RE: 49 german moves
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:44 am
by BrianG
last attack. not a lot of ground gained.
I did rout one Russian hq.

RE: 49 german moves
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:47 am
by BrianG
final south.
I retreat forward units
hit and run tactics. very unbecoming of the fine Prussian tradition

RE: 49 german moves
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:49 am
by BrianG
weather forecast correction
It is now expected clear for north and central soviet zones

RE: 49 german moves
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:50 am
by BrianG
Final north.
Leningrad cut off from truck and train supply. Check!

49 aircraft kia report
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:52 am
by BrianG
700 Russian planes. Is this sustainable.
All that bombing, he must be using lots of armaments.
if you compare with earlier report, my flak is definitely getting kills.

49 combat units kia report
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:53 am
by BrianG
kia report

RE: 49 combat units kia report
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:06 pm
by Crackaces
I would agree with you that 17,000 aircraft lost by turn 34 is a good indicator that the losses on turn 34 are not sustainable. The trend I watch is the OOB. For the forum, that represents the number of aircraft attached to airbases vs reserve. Trending how many the Soviets can field gives an indication of the health of the Air Force. What is great about the results of a turn like this is damaged aircraft scraped in the logistics phase. In better weather the Germans can follow up with strikes on the Soviet airfields turning more damaged into destroyed.
What is the total damage on Osinovets? Just to say Stukas are pretty effective at port bombing

you will need 70% in your turn to get 67% in the Soviet turn.
One thing I did was to rout out a couple of Soviet units so you don’t have as many fighting your forces while you reduce Osinovets. That is of course debatable because you want to trap as many units as possible. I just found routing out enough so the ones left behind could not resist .. it freed forces early too .. ahh this game is so great !
RE: 49 combat units kia report
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:38 pm
by BrianG
you will need 70% in your turn to get 67% in the Soviet turn.
while i'm at it, when I look at the lake ports they show zero in shipping available.
What is the 'official' level for port being shut. Ignorance is sometimes not bliss.
I think I had Osinovets at 6% damage after this raid. they following turn it was again zero.
and then I forgot to bomb one turn.
RE: 49 combat units kia report
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:43 pm
by BrianG
Germans can follow up with strikes on the Soviet airfields turning more damaged into destroyed.
Not sure I will be bombing Russian airfields.
I'm afraid of more bad bomber results. Perhaps I am being a bit timid.
Although, I agree It would be smart to do so on turns such as this when Russians bombers have had lots of fatigue.
RE: 49 combat units kia report
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:43 pm
by Crackaces
ORIGINAL: BrianG
you will need 70% in your turn to get 67% in the Soviet turn.
while i'm at it, when I look at the lake ports they show zero in shipping available.
What is the 'official' level for port being shut. Ignorance is sometimes not bliss.
I think I had Osinovets at 6% damage after this raid. they following turn it was again zero.
and then I forgot to bomb one turn.
Well the level 3 port is 66.6 or 67%. It will repair 3% every turn. You can look at the 2x3 AAR but the best attack I got I was with Stukas .. something like 13% in one turn.
The shipping is zero for the “ Brianites” (from Sillyflower)

but the Soviets are shipping believe me
There is a chart floating around for port levels higher but I am thinking port level 3 is maximum feasible .
RE: 49 combat units kia report
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:10 pm
by chaos45
you have to bomb it for several weeks with very large bombing raids if you want to knock it out for supply. The Russians can counter this with massive AA and fighter concentrations...lots of AA guns will reduce the damage the Luftwaffe does significantly.
RE: 49 combat units kia report
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:52 pm
by EwaldvonKleist
Port is deactivated if damage>100-100/port level
RE: 49 combat units kia report
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:52 pm
by Crackaces
ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist
Port is deactivated if damage>100-100/port level
That makes sense...

The other problem is that the higher the port level the harder to inflict damage.
RE: 49 combat units kia report
Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:25 pm
by BrianG
you have to bomb it for several weeks with very large bombing raids if you want to knock it out for supply. The Russians can counter this with massive AA and fighter concentrations...lots of AA guns will reduce the damage the Luftwaffe does significantly.
best if I cut off supply at its neck. I shall head for the Finnish line pronto! I guess also air attack port.
Kesselring might object.
RE: 49 combat units kia report
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:28 am
by Crackaces
ORIGINAL: BrianG
you have to bomb it for several weeks with very large bombing raids if you want to knock it out for supply. The Russians can counter this with massive AA and fighter concentrations...lots of AA guns will reduce the damage the Luftwaffe does significantly.
best if I cut off supply at its neck. I shall head for the Finnish line pronto! I guess also air attack port.
Kesselring might object.
For the forum ..”large” is relative in WITE. There are economies of scale. 300 level bombers do not tend to get scaled results compared to 200 level bombers. There is a right mix that provides a maximum effect given a sortie.
RE: 49 combat units kia report
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:52 pm
by chaos45
the issue would be that you need to do maximum damage in a limited number of raids per turn due to air attack limits...so if you launch a small raid that is stopped you waste an entire week of bombing basically.
TURN 50
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:06 am
by BrianG
Its bomber madness. [:@]
Rinse and repeat
Wait! That was my line from last turn.

TURN 50
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:08 am
by BrianG
Middle open
HYLA saves his trapped troops. These low grade units are so happy. But sorry no vodka for you.

TURN 50 Air kia report
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:10 am
by BrianG
Overnight airplane kia report.
flak kills went from 4392 to 4913. nice shootin' boys!

RE: TURN 50 combat kia report
Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:13 am
by BrianG
and the ground report
