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All of the indirect consequential repercussions of the disease have really started to appear in the last week and a half. Everything from being advised that it is not a good idea for Seniors to see Grandchildren to those who have to make adjustments regarding work and/or travel. There is also a lot of concern about medical preconditions. I read this article this morning and thought it may be of interest to others.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featu ... 09221.html

Today's worldwide figures:
Total Cases = 188297
Total Recovered = 80848
Total Deaths = 7499
(Wikipedia)

That works out to 7499 / (7499 + 80848) = 8.5%

Up from 7.1% and 7.9%.

Keep on whistling past the graveyard.

It's my first day as confined and what neither the Soviets nor the aliens managed to do, put me in prison at home, the virus did it.
We were sold the thing so as not to contaminate people and continue to saturate hospitals.
* It's true, it's indisputable.
So why do I have the impression that it is also so that I die at home (if it has to happen!) Without being able to rush freely to hospitals and not be part of official statistics, you know, those that scare people.

ORIGINAL: rico21

It's my first day as confined and what neither the Soviets nor the aliens managed to do, put me in prison at home, the virus did it.
We were sold the thing so as not to contaminate people and continue to saturate hospitals.
* It's true, it's indisputable.
So why do I have the impression that it is also so that I die at home (if it has to happen!) Without being able to rush freely to hospitals and not be part of official statistics, you know, those that scare people.

Do you think the numbers from Russia are higher than reported? In the U.S. it is thought the virus was present long before the first cases were reported.

Updated 1:51 AM ET, Tue March 17, 2020

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/asia/cor ... index.html

I cannot speak for other countries, I cannot prove what I say because I do not have the scientific means to do so.
But I still have my own feelings about the events around me and I think cinserely that in France today, at least half of the population is infected and that many deaths will take place in the next two weeks.

It seems very likely that the virus was seeded all over the planet from Wuhan before anything was done about. Since it can be spread without someone appearing sick and also since it could spread during the flu season basically hiding it's no surprise it's pandemic. Only a couple of high priority questions remain. Will warmer weather hamper the spread like it does the flu and will it mutate like the flu?

ORIGINAL: rico21

I cannot speak for other countries, I cannot prove what I say because I do not have the scientific means to do so.
But I still have my own feelings about the events around me and I think cinserely that in France today, at least half of the population is infected and that many deaths will take place in the next two weeks.

I am sure you are right about more people being infected than what we know. According to WHO, many are simply contracting the Virus and recovering without needing treatment or being tested. Hopefully the majority are self isolating.

That is why true death percentages are impossible, simply because we have no idea of how many are truly infected.

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

Today's worldwide figures:
Total Cases = 188297
Total Recovered = 80848
Total Deaths = 7499
(Wikipedia)

That works out to 7499 / (7499 + 80848) = 8.5%

Up from 7.1% and 7.9%.

Keep on whistling past the graveyard.

warspite1

How come you are still here and not in that graveyard then? According to you and your ahem 'calculations', the US mortality rate is 55.9%.

But that is the last time I shall respond to you on this subject, you are too intelligent to not realise you are spouting unsubstantiated nonsense and obviously just enjoy the attention and your five minutes of fame as a rubbish grim reaper.

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

Today's worldwide figures:
Total Cases = 188297
Total Recovered = 80848
Total Deaths = 7499
(Wikipedia)

That works out to 7499 / (7499 + 80848) = 8.5%

Up from 7.1% and 7.9%.

Keep on whistling past the graveyard.

warspite1

How come you are still here and not in that graveyard then? According to you and your ahem 'calculations', the US mortality rate is 55.9%.

But that is the last time I shall respond to you on this subject, you are too intelligent to not realise you are spouting unsubstantiated nonsense and obviously just enjoy the attention and your five minutes of fame as a rubbish grim reaper.

+1

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

Today's worldwide figures:
Total Cases = 188297
Total Recovered = 80848
Total Deaths = 7499
(Wikipedia)

That works out to 7499 / (7499 + 80848) = 8.5%

Up from 7.1% and 7.9%.

Keep on whistling past the graveyard.

warspite1

How come you are still here and not in that graveyard then? According to you and your ahem 'calculations', the US mortality rate is 55.9%.

But that is the last time I shall respond to you on this subject, you are too intelligent to not realise you are spouting unsubstantiated nonsense and obviously just enjoy the attention and your five minutes of fame as a rubbish grim reaper.

Well, despite everything, I hope you all stay safe and your loved ones. Let's get through this. Once we're on the other side, hopefully we'll be stronger.

And anyone I have ever had words with on here, I never meant it to be personal. Sometimes I FEEL things personally, but it is never to be thought of as at any certain posters.

Having said all that, it may seem I'm being fatalistic, which is not the case. I don't have the virus, as far as I know. So, I hope everyone stays as safe as I think I have. [:)]

Curtis LeMay, why did you post that? We know you have math skills because of ToW. Chill out and maybe someone will close this post. Ridiculous, this will pass.., relax.

New coronavirus stable for hours on surfaces: study https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03- ... faces.html

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The virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is stable for several hours to days in aerosols and on surfaces, according to a new study from National Institutes of Health, CDC, UCLA and Princeton University scientists The New England Journal of Medicine. The scientists found that severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) was detectable in aerosols for up to three hours, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel. The results provide key information about the stability of SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19 disease, and suggests that people may acquire the virus through the air and after touching contaminated objects. The study information was widely shared during the past two weeks after the researchers placed the contents on a preprint server to quickly share their data with colleagues.

The NIH scientists, from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases' Montana facility at Rocky Mountain Laboratories, compared how the environment affects SARS-CoV-2 and SARS-CoV-1, which causes SARS. SARS-CoV-1, like its successor now circulating across the globe, emerged from China and infected more than 8,000 people in 2002 and 2003. SARS-CoV-1 was eradicated by intensive contact tracing and case isolation measures and no cases have been detected since 2004. SARS-CoV-1 is the human coronavirus most closely related to SARS-CoV-2. In the stability study the two viruses behaved similarly, which unfortunately fails to explain why COVID-19 has become a much larger outbreak.

The NIH study attempted to mimic virus being deposited from an infected person onto everyday surfaces in a household or hospital setting, such as through coughing or touching objects. The scientists then investigated how long the virus remained infectious on these surfaces.

The scientists highlighted additional observations from their study:

If the viability of the two coronaviruses is similar, why is SARS-CoV-2 resulting in more cases? Emerging evidence suggests that people infected with SARS-CoV-2 might be spreading virus without recognizing, or prior to recognizing, symptoms. This would make disease control measures that were effective against SARS-CoV-1 less effective against its successor.
In contrast to SARS-CoV-1, most secondary cases of virus transmission of SARS-CoV-2 appear to be occurring in community settings rather than healthcare settings. However, healthcare settings are also vulnerable to the introduction and spread of SARS-CoV-2, and the stability of SARS-CoV-2 in aerosols and on surfaces likely contributes to transmission of the virus in healthcare settings.

The findings affirm the guidance from public health professionals to use precautions similar to those for influenza and other respiratory viruses to prevent the spread of SARS-CoV-2:

Avoid close contact with people who are sick.
Avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth.
Stay home when you are sick.
Cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, then throw the tissue in the trash.
Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces using a regular household cleaning spray or wipe.

Ironically, the virus is probably saving more lives than it is taking. https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-Gene ... Lives.html

And that's not even taking into consideration the saving of lives from reduced numbers of traffic fatalities.

"COVID-19 vaccine developed by [chinese] military medical academy approved for clinical trials"

http://eng.mod.gov.cn/news/2020-03/18/c ... 862087.htm

I wish them (and the scientists in Seattle [?]) success.

I would not trust the Chinese.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.c ... mbers.html

ORIGINAL: Zovs

I would not trust the Chinese.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.c ... mbers.html

I could not care less what the "white house" thinks or says, my friend [:'(]

Granny, what did you do during the great virus of 2020?

I played Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay with my toys and stayed inside out of harm's way.
I'd have liked to play a wargame, but they just couldn't figure out how to launch Sealion. Same ole hassle eh.