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This might be a golden opportunity for a para-shock attack since your troops look to be in good shape (maybe put 43ID in reserve, the rest on shock) . However, I don't have any experience with that so will defer to someone who does.

All I can say is bold moves in this particular game seem to be well rewarded and definitely add to the entertainment value.

Cheers,
CC

If the infantry aren't being touched by the bombing of them directly, then maybe the bombers should concentrate on attacking the airfield and port instead of the troops. If those are damaged each turn to 100 the forts shouldn't build, right?

Obvert: I would agree. Some bombers should be directed at the airfield and port to keep him from being able to rebuild his forts.

Cheers,
CC

ORIGINAL: crsutton

Greyjoy, I just don't get it. If not kamikazes now, when? He should have had a 1,000 suicide aircraft of all types in the air that turn. I am not sure if Rader is planning to use them at all. But I can't figure out why.

He lost nearly 200 D4Y4 Judys in conventional attacks that turn, these should be reserved solely for kamikaze work due to their 800kg payload.........

You will not be able to throw him out of Aikita with one or two attacks. He has way too many forces and his forts will be too high in order to achieve that. You now have two places which he has to strongly reinforce in order to be able to hold. A shock attack will just mean that you will take that much longer to recover from the attack, and that much longer for him to reinforce. You were able to lower the forts at your first landing site against a much larger enemy force. After looking at the results of your first deliberate attack, you will be in a position to know if a shock attack is worth it in the second attack.

DTurtle is right. Deliberate attack here.

Use your paratroops.

If he lands more supplies arent the CD guns going to have another pop on him unless he's captured the base?

How long can he maintain his beachhead without resupply/reinforcements?

If this turns into a seriously protracted affair I guess bombing the armaments factories flat is the way to go.

Does that influence Japanese reinforcement divisions, if IJ has no armaments in their pool? or is it only replacements?

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

DTurtle is right. Deliberate attack here.

Use your paratroops.

Sorry i don't understand. If i use my paratroops they will cause a shock attack...so how can i deliberate and shock at the same time?!?![&:]

ORIGINAL: obvert

If the infantry aren't being touched by the bombing of them directly, then maybe the bombers should concentrate on attacking the airfield and port instead of the troops. If those are damaged each turn to 100 the forts shouldn't build, right?

Damages is being already caused by my Navy...no need to use bombers for that at the moment...

Last run i caused nearly 1500 casualities with my LBA bombers...not a lot, i know...but surely some distruption is created and every drop matters in this case...

ORIGINAL: DTurtle

You will not be able to throw him out of Aikita with one or two attacks. He has way too many forces and his forts will be too high in order to achieve that. You now have two places which he has to strongly reinforce in order to be able to hold. A shock attack will just mean that you will take that much longer to recover from the attack, and that much longer for him to reinforce. You were able to lower the forts at your first landing site against a much larger enemy force. After looking at the results of your first deliberate attack, you will be in a position to know if a shock attack is worth it in the second attack.

I know but in 2 turns (4 days) he will be able to strongly reinforce Aikita with endless divisions...i made a huge mistake not understanding the movement system on contested hex...i thought, once contested, the movements were forbidden...boy how wrong was i....[:o]

...and next turn it will be a slaughter in the air...i bet he will throw everything and the kitchen sink against me...so the next one will probably be a decisive run...statlemate or victory...
 
...i'm tempted, very tempted, to play all my cards now in a shock attack...
 
Let's say i deliberate attack and i get a 1-1 with forts down to 6 (hoping they are not above 7) and a 1-2 the following day...then i'll have to rest for more than a week probably...a week will be enough for Rader to send some 100k men from Hachinoe to Aikita (at the moment there are 400k men at Hachinoe, 4500 guns and 5000 vehicles)...which will clearly stop any further operation...
 
what's the scenario you're imaging in suggesting to deliberate now and shock in two days from now?

ORIGINAL: EUBanana

If he lands more supplies arent the CD guns going to have another pop on him unless he's captured the base?

How long can he maintain his beachhead without resupply/reinforcements?

if only supply is unloaded then he can do that in the face of CD guns as long as he wants to. I have never seen CD guns actually firing at ships only unloading supply even though a combat replay pops up to be finished instantly. Don't know if it's a bug or just my version of he game but all those invasions my opponents and me have done has the CD crews just watching the enemy happily unloading supplies.

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: EUBanana

If he lands more supplies arent the CD guns going to have another pop on him unless he's captured the base?

How long can he maintain his beachhead without resupply/reinforcements?

if only supply is unloaded then he can do that in the face of CD guns as long as he wants to. I have never seen CD guns actually firing at ships only unloading supply even though a combat replay pops up to be finished instantly. Don't know if it's a bug or just my version of he game but all those invasions my opponents and me have done has the CD crews just watching the enemy happily unloading supplies.

Ah yes, I remember seeing this myself. I think you only see Invasion Support Action events rather than actually unloading I think?

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

...and next turn it will be a slaughter in the air...i bet he will throw everything and the kitchen sink against me...so the next one will probably be a decisive run...statlemate or victory...

...i'm tempted, very tempted, to play all my cards now in a shock attack...

Let's say i deliberate attack and i get a 1-1 with forts down to 6 (hoping they are not above 7) and a 1-2 the following day...then i'll have to rest for more than a week probably...a week will be enough for Rader to send some 100k men from Hachinoe to Aikita (at the moment there are 400k men at Hachinoe, 4500 guns and 5000 vehicles)...which will clearly stop any further operation...

what's the scenario you're imaging in suggesting to deliberate now and shock in two days from now?

others sure disagree with me but IMO a shock attack will wreck your units and a deliberate attack will have the same effect as at Hachinoe, wrecking your units only to some degree. In both places, I don't see a way to break through which brings me back to my thinking right before all the invasion of Japan started, the Allied land, are bogged down and that's it and it pretty much mirrors all invasions I have seen so far, if the Allied aren't able to land at halve a dozen places in short order to take some bases and exploit that the invasion has failed.

Can only hope the other posters in your great AAR are right and I am wrong.

Shock only works once you have weakened him...I agree with Castor..It would be a panic move that would then give him the chance to slaughter you.
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As my opponent can attest- shock attack on 2 day turns can be very nasty. I've had a number of occasions in China where FatR has shock attacked and achieved 1:1 on the first day and then (due to disruption) achieved 1:2 or less on the second day (shock attack) that makes a mess of the attackers.

Shock attack will almost certainly have catastrophic results for you.

Deliberate attack might weaken the enemy enough - bringing down forts and causing disruption - to make further attacks in the near term effective.  There's even an outside chance that the first attack will be successful enough that you could follow up with a shock attack next time.

But failed shock attacks are disastrous and would probably ruin your army.  And this attack would almost certainly fail.

Rader's got more problems than you may realize.  In addition to needing to reinforce Akaita, he also has to worry about Hachinoe, where he has his hands full with a good Allied army that already brought forts down.  He can't just shift everything to Akaita, though undoubtedly he will reinforce as soon as possible.  Set bombers to hit the road in between to slow the transfer of troops. 

I thought you could shock attack with paras and deliberate attack with your ground troops.  I know I've ordered this combination before and it seemed to go off without a hitch.  But it's been awhile and I can't swear that the ground attack wasn't converted into a shock attack when the paras dropped.  But I'm pretty sure that didn't happen.

Good luck!

I can shock with paras and deliberate with the rest of my troops? Will it work that way? Does anybody know for certain?
 
Thx guys...

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: crsutton

ORIGINAL: castor troy

Canoe, we disagree on the outcome of a prolonged fight, but this is nothing bad. [;)] I would really like to have a turn with the passwords just to run the turns with everything turned off and have the Allied doing a deliberate attack every 7th day for the next 10 weeks. I would bet the Allied would get wiped out, you would bet they would take the base. Would be a nice bet. [:D]

Well, there are many factors. Air support and naval bombardments will eventually make a difference. If GJ can keep the Japanese disrupted then the casualtie rate can eventually change. I don't see were GJ can continue to take losses such as his first whack but he has both superior and more numerous guns and tanks and I have seen that combined air support make the difference over a prolonged fight. However, I do agree that it will take a very long time and if Rader can reinforce and more important maintain his flow of supply, then he can hold that spot for a very long time if not forever. If this is all GJ has then I am not sure he can win. If he can crack open another base then that is different. All of us who worship the genius of the Greyjoy....have faith.[&o]

yes, but guys, don't you realize that GJ's air attacks are do next to nothing??? He sends hundreds of bombers on ground attack and the 250.000 defending Japanese take 12 disabled squads. You actually know what that means? That means they also take next to no disruption! Why? Because they are sitting behind enough forts to make this happen. Ok, you might say now take down the forts but with such a force even the Japanese are able to build forts at an unbelievable pace. That's why I said it's a hopeless undertaking to go through the wall here.

Anyway, GJ lands at another place now, which is the way to go.

Last two 4E attacks on Hachinoe where logs are available resulted in 233 and 312 disabled squads/veh/guns. So i still do no see a problem there. And if you want to soften up something you have to use 2E/4E and not carrier strikes.

And the last concentrated naval bombardment resulted in > 100 disabled in 1 day squads too.
I do not know where you get your numbers from ....