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RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:20 pm
by NormS3
You still put more work in than I do[:D]
I've got pictures I've shrunk down to kinda fit the plane sides, mostly yahoo stuff but found a really nice rendition of the Berguit (sp) 691 that I'm adding just brcause of it's appearance. Ship sides are in same boat as yours.
Am really looking forward to your senario though!
I take it that wingspalette.ru is a program, have not heard of it (obviously)
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:27 pm
by Skyland
Nice to see some interest in french army in Indochina !
In fact it was Farman 221 instead of F.222 (non retractable gear version). Here is my proposal for may be another future mod, if i can find some spare times...
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:42 pm
by DuckofTindalos
ORIGINAL: Norm3
You still put more work in than I do[:D]
I've got pictures I've shrunk down to kinda fit the plane sides, mostly yahoo stuff but found a really nice rendition of the Berguit (sp) 691 that I'm adding just brcause of it's appearance. Ship sides are in same boat as yours.
Am really looking forward to your senario though!
I take it that wingspalette.ru is a program, have not heard of it (obviously)
It's a website.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:43 pm
by DuckofTindalos
ORIGINAL: Skyland
Nice to see some interest in french army in Indochina !
In fact it was Farman 221 instead of F.222 (non retractable gear version).
Fixed.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:19 pm
by NormS3
Thanks again T!
Great site, I'll play around on it for to long, no doubt.
And some army troops...
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:24 pm
by DuckofTindalos
So they don't feel left out...[:D] Here's one of the seven brigades that the Army of Indochina contains:
RE: Looking for some data on the French Army
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:23 pm
by RevRick
But, at that speed she might have the range to get from Miami to Key West...if she could refuel there..
I thought those cruisers were capable of slightly faster speeds. But then, I also think I remember that from a good number of years ago, and heaven alone knows what I was reading then.. It was much the same with the Italianate cruisers I heard, up to the Zaras. The French and Italians designed ships to match each other in the Med, and seemingly failed to remember that there is an Atlantic Ocean (let alone the Pacific) to deal with..at some point.
RE: Looking for some data on the French Army
Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:34 pm
by DuckofTindalos
ORIGINAL: RevRick
But, at that speed she might have the range to get from Miami to Key West...if she could refuel there..
I thought those cruisers were capable of slightly faster speeds. But then, I also think I remember that from a good number of years ago, and heaven alone knows what I was reading then.. It was much the same with the Italianate cruisers I heard, up to the Zaras. The French and Italians designed ships to match each other in the Med, and seemingly failed to remember that there is an Atlantic Ocean (let alone the Pacific) to deal with..at some point.
Yeah... No French cruiser, not even their best (the Algerie) could do more than 33 knots.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:15 am
by Pascal_slith
ORIGINAL: Terminus
Here's a badly-kept secret: so am I. The ship-sides are cut-and-paste jobs of official AE art, and the plane-sides are images downloaded from the net, scraped clear of their background and pasted in. I use wingspalette.ru for the aircraft.
Hi Terminus, I went hunting on the 'net for wingspalette.ru and get 'broken link' in the two versions I trield (
http://www.wingspalette.ru and
http://wingspalette.ru
Can you give the full URL?
Thanks.
PS, if you need help with any French source, just ask. I'm a native English AND French speaker/reader/writer. I also have some French books on French WWII aircraft and ships that I can scan if you need help on data.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 5:08 am
by DuckofTindalos
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:31 am
by DuckofTindalos
Does anybody know if the AdA had a higher echelon than Groupe? There was Escadrille and Groupe, but was there anything above that?
RE: Looking for some data on the French Army
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:39 am
by Shark7
ORIGINAL: Terminus
Well, I CAN read French, albeit very slowly.
Well you're doing better than me then, I do good to comprehend English sometimes....
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:08 pm
by Skyland
ORIGINAL: Terminus
Does anybody know if the AdA had a higher echelon than Groupe? There was Escadrille and Groupe, but was there anything above that?
There was Groupement (de Chasse / de Bombardement), then Division Aerienne then Zone d'Operation Aerienne.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:12 pm
by DuckofTindalos
What would be the correct designation for transport and reconnaissance units, and did these exist above Escadrille level?
My thinking for the mod is that the French are in the process of expanding and reorganizing the Indochina air force, but they won't have completed the process by the time the Japs attack. This gives me the excuse to include some of the more advanced types to replace the antiques that were there historically.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:27 pm
by Skyland
Yes, for Transport it could be Groupement Aerien de Transport with SAT #x as sub unit. For Reco, they were attached to the Armee (land). There was several Groupe (named GR Groupe de Reconnaissance or GAO Groupe Aerien d'Observation) for each Armee HQ.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:34 pm
by Dili
Yeah the Potez 25 that Terminus showed in first page is a typical GAO plane. Note that GAO are army cooperation units.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:44 pm
by Shark7
http://france1940.free.fr/vichy/ada_sep.html#Indo
Orbat for Vichy forces in indochina at the above link, might be helpful.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:47 pm
by Skyland
ORIGINAL: Terminus
This gives me the excuse to include some of the more advanced types to replace the antiques that were there historically.
If you are looking for an advanced upgrade of Potez 25, have a look on Bloch 174, Saint-Exupery's airplane.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:04 pm
by Dili
The problem with upgrades is that the Japan was allied to Germany after September 40 , and Japan indeed requested Germany to not let aircraft go to French Indochina.
RE: French Aircraft
Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:25 pm
by Skyland
One idea could be to upgrade to US aircrafts. France had placed several orders for Catalina, B24, Wildcat, P40 and so on, prior to June 1940. They were delivered to the UK (but already paid by the french !). But it is anyway interesting to have french designed aircraft in the game. By june 1940, several very competitive ones have just begun to enter in service.