RE: Good to know UBER Cap is gone
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:58 am
Guys, it's just a game. [8D]
ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
Castor is definitely the most negative poster on the forum. I have not seen a single post from him that does not criticize the AE and apparently he still plays it a lot. [:'(] Lot of issues, lot of issues...[:D]
I don't see anything wrong with those obsolete Dutch bombers getting massacred. Everything in mission calculations was against them, exp, plane quality, lack of fighter escort etc. If they had been B-25s with average pilots, I'd have hoped for some chance for bomb hits...but still, unescorted light bomber raid against enemy's No.1 fighter teams is not recommended. [8D]
yeah, I´m sure one of the most or the most negative poster on the forum. I´m also one of the most active players and one that is looking at the game most carefully when playing it. I guess I´m not a that bad player either, even if this combat report makes it look completely different. [:D] I´m not doing unescorted raids when I tend to know that there´s Cap over the target, I´m not crazy. In this case I did NOT expect Cap as I wouldn´t have thought my opponent would be bold enough to send mini KB´s Cap over to a base 120 miles away when I´ve got 100 bombers sitting on Java. He told me there was some LRCAP and the rest was leaking Cap. So Kudos to my opponent for shredding this attack. He deserves the Kudos and I deserve my bombers being shred.
I´m spending a lot of time with this game, this includes the hours and hours on this forum, the hours and hours of doing AARs and the hours and hours of actually playing the game of course. All this together makes this game a too big part of my life anyway but that´s probably also the reason why I bring up such a post to start with this thread.
Of course when I start out with something like "Santa Clause and Buggs Bunny meet up..." and then post the actual combat report afterwards to then even more complain how ridicoulos everything is, this is of course pissing The Elf off and I´m not surprised about it as this can be seen as offensive from my part and he´s of course correct that I should take a deep breath before posting in such a manner. I really appreciate all the work that was put into WITP, the mods of it and AE of course. Therefore I of course see the reason why people get offended as it´s their "baby".
It would have been better for me to just say: is this correct, is this realistic? For me, there´s no doubt that 50 bombers shot down (even Dutch ones) are too many, especially with all the explanations (and therefore expectations from my part) I´ve got. LRCAP and leaking Cap alone should make it less bloody as I (we) were told that this makes Cap worse. In this particular case, I would have expected a slaughter, the slaughter to me would be 30 bombers shot down. Not 60% of the total bomber numbers on Java by not even two dozen Zeroes. The Zeroes had 20mm cannons with 60 shots each IIRC. And they carried 7.7mm MGs, not a that frightening weapon, not even for the Dutch bombers. The Claudes only carry those baby guns, just as the bombers carry obsolete defensive weapons. Most people seem to disagree but except saying they disagree they don´t prove it either. Yes, most bombers were escorted in real life, but also many times they weren´t. And how many times did the defender outnumber the escort and how many times fighters actually got through to the bombers? BoB anyone? If there are enough fighters to deal efficiently with the escort than there are enough fighters left to take on the bombers just as if there wouldn´t be an escort. But does that mean that we now read about incidents when bombers were shot down at such a rate? No IMO. There´s no doubt that The Elf is the expert about air war, in comparison I´m a 1 year old learning to speak. It´s not like that I haven´t read any books though. Many or most of the books that we all here see as gospel have been read by me too. And with all I´ve read I miss those incidents when slaughters (what was seen as slaughters) turned out to be something like has been seen in this example. No matter how obsolete one of the sides were.
Again, to me a slaughter and an acceptable result would have been around 30 bombers shot down. 50? Sure not. But that´s my oppinion. Have I expressed my oppinion in a wrong way? Sure, take my apologies please. Have I changed my mind? No, for me it´s definetely too much. We´re not even talking about write offs, they were all shot down. And look at the intel screen, those are the actual losses, not what the cr makes you think.
I´ve played WITP for years, 99,5% of the time PBEM (this is no offense to AI players so don´t take it offensively please) and I guess by the time I switched over to AE I´ve known everything about WITP. I´ve got high expectations for AE and see it being a real improvement over AE. I am playing it now in a PBEM against Rainer79 where this cr is coming from. Will I stop playing? Sure not. Will I stop complaining? Sure not. I´ve always complained about IMO wrong things in WITP and many were changed (not only due to my complaints of course, I´m only one of many). Do I think AE has reached the line of possibilities WITP has reached sometime around the 1.8 patches? Sure not. I´ve got many complaints about AE and I´m sure many things will be corrected. Airwar, you won´t believe me after this thread I guess, is my smallest problem.
I´m ranting a lot, that´s true, doing this in real life about real life issues too. Perhaps I´m doing it in a wrong way at times, but I´m surely not one of those guys we in Austria call "Yes-sayers". No idea how that´s called in English or if you even know what I mean. Anyway, usually there´s some truth in what I´m ranting about and I´m not 100% off with my rants. Sometimes I´m also 100% on target I guess. In this case, many people disagree with me and I don´t have a problem with it. Some agree it seems.
Again, my apologies for how I´ve started the thread, but I still stand to my opinion that IMO the losses are too high.
cheers