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RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:19 pm
by rockmedic109
ORIGINAL: JWE
ORIGINAL: Kereguelen
Should be Scenario 2 only units. They should not be in use if using Scenario 1 as basis for a mod. Otherwise there could be a problem with the AI in Scen 1.[&:]. Which scenario was used as basis for the Babes mod? 1 or 2?
Well howdy, Mr. K.
That's just what I thought ! BabesLite has all those units 9999'd out (uses Scen01 as a basis). DaBig Babes has them deleted altogether and replaced with other units.
We don't provide AI files with any of the Babes scenarios. Instead, we ask people to copy and renumber the aeixxxx-001 - 012 files from stock Scen 01 or Quiet China 07 (for use with Babes scen 026 or 028) or copy and renumber the aeixxxx-001 - 012 files from stock Scen 06 or Quiet China 09 (for use with Babes scen 027 or 029 - Dec.8 start). Using the AI files from Scen 02 or QC Scen 08 would certainly cause an issue.
I'm checking with Andy, because he may just have put in a "conditional if", i.e., if units are 9999 then go to next script. If he did it that way, then the AI would pick up the 'active' units we stuck in those slots in DaBigBabes. As I mentioned, I'm checking with Andy and we'll get it cleared up, one way or the other. In the meantime, I guess it would be good to matrix it out.
BabesLite Scen026 - use AI files for stock Scen01 or Scen07 ONLY.
BabesLite Scen027 - use AI files for stock Scen06 or Scen09 ONLY.
DaBigBabes Scen028 - use AI files for stock Scen01 or Scen07 ONLY.
DaBigBabes Scen029 - use AI files for stock Scen06 or Scen09 ONLY.
If the problem then reoccurs, the issue would be interior to the AI files themselves.
Woof! J
OOOPS.
Now I can't remember if I put the 12-7 or 12-8 AI files in. I kinda think I put the 12-8 files {am playing 12-7}. Seems to work for the first week, though. I guess I need to do another restart........I need a new new sig pic.......for playing Restart in the Pacific or just being the Restart Fanboy.
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:28 pm
by Andy Mac
There is only one set of AI files for Scen 1, 2 6 and 10 they all use the same ones.
Its bad enough maintaining 16 variants each of 1000+ scripts once never mind 4 times !!!
If a script has no units available i.e. because they are only available in Scen 1 then the script fails
So the units for the fictional Scen 2 Army are used in all scripts in all scenarios BUT because they are 9999's out in Scen 1 those specific AI scripts fail in that scenario i.e. the AI skips them
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:34 pm
by Andy Mac
Just so we are clear I have 17 AI variants currently maintained
Of those 0 - 6 are broadly historical (albeit even in Scen 2 they use the extra units to add more weight to existing attacks)
7 - 16 have additional extra attacks.
What changes between Scen 1 2 etc is the mix of how many historical v a historical scripts are included int he mix.,
e.g. if I had done an AI invade PH script a really aggressive attack PH script wouldnt even be attempted in Scen 1 becauser the AI cannot afford to lose the assets whereas in Scen 2 I may have slipped it into the rotation !!!
ORIGINAL: rockmedic109
ORIGINAL: JWE
ORIGINAL: Kereguelen
Should be Scenario 2 only units. They should not be in use if using Scenario 1 as basis for a mod. Otherwise there could be a problem with the AI in Scen 1.[&:]. Which scenario was used as basis for the Babes mod? 1 or 2?
Well howdy, Mr. K.
That's just what I thought ! BabesLite has all those units 9999'd out (uses Scen01 as a basis). DaBig Babes has them deleted altogether and replaced with other units.
We don't provide AI files with any of the Babes scenarios. Instead, we ask people to copy and renumber the aeixxxx-001 - 012 files from stock Scen 01 or Quiet China 07 (for use with Babes scen 026 or 028) or copy and renumber the aeixxxx-001 - 012 files from stock Scen 06 or Quiet China 09 (for use with Babes scen 027 or 029 - Dec.8 start). Using the AI files from Scen 02 or QC Scen 08 would certainly cause an issue.
I'm checking with Andy, because he may just have put in a "conditional if", i.e., if units are 9999 then go to next script. If he did it that way, then the AI would pick up the 'active' units we stuck in those slots in DaBigBabes. As I mentioned, I'm checking with Andy and we'll get it cleared up, one way or the other. In the meantime, I guess it would be good to matrix it out.
BabesLite Scen026 - use AI files for stock Scen01 or Scen07 ONLY.
BabesLite Scen027 - use AI files for stock Scen06 or Scen09 ONLY.
DaBigBabes Scen028 - use AI files for stock Scen01 or Scen07 ONLY.
DaBigBabes Scen029 - use AI files for stock Scen06 or Scen09 ONLY.
If the problem then reoccurs, the issue would be interior to the AI files themselves.
Woof! J
OOOPS.
Now I can't remember if I put the 12-7 or 12-8 AI files in. I kinda think I put the 12-8 files {am playing 12-7}. Seems to work for the first week, though. I guess I need to do another restart........I need a new new sig pic.......for playing Restart in the Pacific or just being the Restart Fanboy.
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:46 pm
by rockmedic109
OK. Great. It should work. I still think I can find a way to muck up the works. But I will enjoy myself till then!
Thanks for the quick replay.
Steve
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:00 pm
by JWE
ORIGINAL: Andy Mac
If a script has no units available i.e. because they are only available in Scen 1 then the script fails
So the units for the fictional Scen 2 Army are used in all scripts in all scenarios BUT because they are 9999's out in Scen 1 those specific AI scripts fail in that scenario i.e. the AI skips them
Ahhh .. so it is a conditional if. Perhaps there's a way around this by substituting equivalent historical units without an AI attribute for the fictional Scen 2 army and moving AF Coys and Shipping Engs into those opened slots. We'll look at it and see what can be done. Aaarrrgghhh
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:01 pm
by Sardaukar
If I decucted this right, we should be very careful when replacing units in scenario marked 9999 delay, since they may (or will) be used by some of the AI scripts.
Anyways, I am now in May 22 1942 in DaBigBabes vs. IJ AI and I haven't noticed any further glitches like this. Doesn't mean there hasn't been, I just haven't noticed any! [8D]
Overall, IJ AI seems to work very well.
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:06 pm
by Andy Mac
Sorry John yup its not easy....
p.s. I sent you the details of the AI debugger I use in case you get specific saves you need to chedck
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 1:53 pm
by Cathartes
John- sent you an email with some info.
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:01 pm
by JWE
Ok .. think we can fix this. Doesn't seem to be a real nasty in any case, but what the hey .. want it to be as smooth as possible.
There's enough open slots here and there to redistribute the Shipping Engs into. Then move the AF Coys around the same way, leaving 4933 to 4955 open. Ugly but functional. et voila.
If we wanted to get fancy, we could paste some of the historical but non-AI attributed later arriving B and C divisions and regiments over corresponding fictional division and regiment types in the slot range. That should give a more flexible file presentation to the scripts without adding too much ahistoricity (is that a word?). The AI might pick them up earlier than their actual arrival date and may have to teleport them from Tokyo, but I can live with that a bit better than having 4 fictional Guard divisions and 11 fictional regiments running around, or having the AI assault San Francisco with two airfield companys and a stevedore battalion (although the sushi around Geary and Webster is pretty darn good - maybe they just want to be interned). I just hate like heck to 25 open slots just sitting there.
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:35 pm
by Andy Mac
The militia regts wont do anything those slots are safe to use no script has them in use.
Most of the AI scripts using units in those slots end (other than counterattacks) by about Mar 43 so just put late war forces in the slots
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:09 pm
by JWE
ORIGINAL: Andy Mac
The militia regts wont do anything those slots are safe to use no script has them in use.
Most of the AI scripts using units in those slots end (other than counterattacks) by about Mar 43 so just put late war forces in the slots
Brilliant Andy. Will do. Thank you muchly.
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:48 pm
by rockmedic109
I've think this is in vanilla as well. Is SC CHa-8 and SC CHa-20 supposed to have the "H" capitalized?
Great job! Having a blast getting blasted once again.
With as often as I play and replay the first six months, EMT {my job} must stand for Extraordinary Masochistic Tendencies.
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:57 pm
by Weidi72
P400 is a float fighter.
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:57 am
by Cathartes
ORIGINAL: Weidi72
P400 is a float fighter.
"Float Capable" carried over from stock. I'm wagering it will be fixed in next version.
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:16 am
by rockmedic109
Considering the sheer volume of data that had to be entered into this game it are utterly amazing that there is so few errors. I wish I could maintain such a low error percentage in life {or just this game[:D]}.
I even had to come back an edit a error after posting this......
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:37 pm
by JWE
Cathartes wins the wager. [;)]
I've seen the subchasers done every which way; CH, Ch, CHA, CHa, Cha (ole), and even different ways in the same source. Hiroshi Nishida uses CH and CHa and so does Bob Hackett, so ...
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:24 am
by Weidi72
there are two 70th brit. inf divisions.
unit 6496, complete (full strength)
units 6718, 6719, 6720, 6745, brigades/recon
+unit 6449 (art reg)
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:30 am
by oldman45
ORIGINAL: Weidi72
there are two 70th brit. inf divisions.
unit 6496, complete (full strength)
units 6718, 6719, 6720, 6745, brigades/recon
+unit 6449 (art reg)
I looked up the brigades in the data base and they don't list the 70th division as their parent. Are you sure they are the 70th? I do seem to remember the 70th just had support units assigned when AE came out. I don't recall why it was in the game but there was a thread about it some time ago.
RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:29 pm
by Weidi72
In AE there are only support units, right, but 14th, 16th and 23rd Inf Brigades, 45th Recon and 8th FA are part of 70th Division.
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RE: DaBigBabes Beta errata
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:57 pm
by JWE
ORIGINAL: oldman45
I don't recall why it was in the game but there was a thread about it some time ago.
It was something about the brigades converting to Chindits so they are not supposed to recombine, or some such. I have no idea why many things are the way they are in the OOB either. But iirc, 70th Div is supposed to withdraw right before the brigades turn into Chindits, so it makes seems to make sense to let the 70th Div arrive normally, hang around as a division, and withdraw 430601. Then, move the delay on those component brigades up, so they don't appear till after 70th division goes away (430701 for example) and then have them do their rename to Chindits thing on 431001. That makes more sense to me than having a strange 70 div organization hanging around for a year.