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ORIGINAL: Bozo_the_Clown

There is no zone of control issue because it's a tank regiment. You move the out of supply division against the regiment and then you attack the regiment with tanks from 16th army. Those tanks are useless anyway so why not waste them on turn 1. I played a game against a guy who did a carbon copy of this pocket. It can be broken in two places. This is not rock solid. What happens on T2 is a totally different question.

ORIGINAL: cap_and_gown

The turn 1 axis threads have produced some good ideas, as have some of the AARs. I believe, however, we are seeing an evolution in thinking about turn 1 moves. Before there was a good deal of emphasis on encircling as many units as possible. But their have been some dissents to this idea, emphasizing instead the need to get the infantry moving east as fast as possible. With that in mind, I wish to offer a new turn 1 variant.

In the north and center, this variant has the following goals:
1) clear out as many enemy units in the areas west of the Dvina and Minsk as possible. No more having infantry spend turn 2 cleaning up pockets. Instead, the emphasis is on hex conversion to ease the path for the rapid advance of the ground pounders.

2) Secure Riga right away, do not let it be fortified. Also, it can be used as a supply source until the rail head makes it up there on turn 3.

3) Secure the crossing of the Dvina. On turn 2 the Panzers should be across the Velikaya adjacent to Pskov.

4)Clear a large area between Minsk and the Dvina since Pz Gruppe 3 can use this lightly defended area to get to the Dnepr on turn 2.

In the South the goals are:

1) Secure the Lvov pocket, eliminating the threat posed by those units and severely damaging the Soviet ability to defend in the south.

2) Capture cities that could be used as hedgehog strong points.

3) Clear the Stalin line entrenchments so they cannot be used by stay behind units.

4) damage and route as many Soviet units as possible.

On turn two the XIV Pz Corps and LAH will join up with Pz Gruppe 2 to make up for the assets borrowed from that army by AGS.

ORIGINAL: 2gaulle

do I'm wrong or it's no more possible to use naval transport to Riga on turn one with 1.08.07 version

ORIGINAL: Pelton

ORIGINAL: 2gaulle

do I'm wrong or it's no more possible to use naval transport to Riga on turn one with 1.08.07 version

no that's been removed was to easy to move troops up the coast.

ORIGINAL: Ridgeway

ORIGINAL: Pelton

ORIGINAL: 2gaulle

do I'm wrong or it's no more possible to use naval transport to Riga on turn one with 1.08.07 version

no that's been removed was to easy to move troops up the coast.

That's true but you still have to roll the ports turn 1 with a MoT unit, infantry mop up following turn.

On the other hand, once the Germans capture a port, it is 100% damaged for both sides. I am pretty sure that in the old days if the Russians moved back in, they could instantly use the port as a supply source (which required the Germans to garrison all those Baltic ports in order to keep the Riga pocket sealed). That is no longer an issue.

ORIGINAL: Tarhunnas

Not to spoil the thread here, but personally, I think the evolution of "best moves" for each front sector is somehow a bit uncomfortable. It is a matter of taste of course, but my personal preference is for wargames to be simulations with a degree of uncertainty.

IIRC it has been suggested by someone in some other thread, but I think there might be some merit to a slight randomization of the locations of the initial Soviet forces. That would create enough uncertainty that there wouldn't eventually evolve a set of predefined options.