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RE: Soviet unit creation date, TOE and AP cost list
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:26 am
by Harrybanana
ORIGINAL: ComradeP
Don't create this.
Comrade,
In earlier posts I believe these construction battalions were reccomended by others (along with RR Brigades) as good cheap diggers. Can you explain why you are now saying they shouldn't be built and what do you reccommend be created in their place. Thanks for this post, you have obviously put a lot of effort into it.
RE: Soviet unit creation date, TOE and AP cost list
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:25 am
by delatbabel
ORIGINAL: Harrybanana
Comrade,
In earlier posts I believe these construction battalions were reccomended by others (along with RR Brigades) as good cheap diggers. Can you explain why you are now saying they shouldn't be built and what do you reccommend be created in their place. Thanks for this post, you have obviously put a lot of effort into it.
The RR construction brigades are great. The construction battalions have 1/4 the support squads and only dig 1/4 as well. They have the same cost in APs. The Soviet limitation is APs not men. So it makes more sense to build the RR construction brigades and don't waste APs on battalions.
RE: Soviet unit creation date, TOE and AP cost list
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 5:34 am
by delatbabel
Can the mods sticky this thread please?
RE: Soviet unit creation date, TOE and AP cost list
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 9:54 pm
by comsolut
+1
RE: Soviet unit creation date, TOE and AP cost list
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:16 am
by randallw
If you go crazy with rail construction units you can start running low on manpower. When I say crazy I mean trying to fill both army HQs and front HQs to maximum.
RE: Soviet unit creation date, TOE and AP cost list
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 3:59 am
by gradenko2k
I figured the list below might be useful. It's Joel Billing's Soviet unit creation list, but I cleaned up the spacing and formatting and added the special notes right on the line for the unit itself.
Related notes:
* Support units cost 1 AP to create
* Brigades cost 1 HQ command point and 5 AP to create
* Divisions cost 2 HQ command points and 10 AP to create
* All corps cost 4 HQ command points
* Cavalry Corps cost 5 AP to merge three Cavalry Divisions together. 30 AP for the sub-units, 35 AP total
* From June 1942 to December 1942 inclusive, Rifle Corps cost 20 AP to merge one Rifle Brigade and two Rifle Divisions together, or three Rifle Divisions together. 25-30 AP for the sub-units, 45-50 AP total
* From January 1943 onwards, Rifle Corps cost 10 AP to merge. 25-30 AP for the sub-units, 35-40 AP total
* Tank, Motorized and Mechanized Corps cost 20 AP to merge three Tank/Mot/Mech Brigades together. 15 AP for the sub-units, 35 AP total
* Combined Arms Army HQs and Tank Army HQs cost 25 AP to create
* From Jun 1941 to Oct 1941 inclusive, all AP costs for unit creation are multiplied by 4, except for Support Units, which always cost 1 AP
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Combined Arms Army HQ Jun-41
Rifle Division Jun-41
Cavalry Division Jun-41
AT Artillery Brigade Jun-41
PVO AA Brigade Jun-41
Motorcycle Regiment Jun-41
BM Howitzer Regiment Jun-41
Corps Artillery Regiment Jun-41
Howitzer Regiment Jun-41
Gun Regiment Jun-41
Heavy Gun Regiment Jun-41
PVO AA Regiment Jun-41
PVO AA Battalion Jun-41
AA Battalion Jun-41
Sapper Battalion Jun-41
Sapper Regiment Jun-41
Construction Battalion Jun-41
RR Construction Brigade Jun-41
Mortar Battalion Jun-41
Heavy Mortar Battalion Jun-41
Fortified Region Jun-41
MG-Artillery Battalion Jun-41
AT Artillery Regiment Jul-41
Light Rocket Regiment Aug-41 (automatic Guards status)
Separate Tank Battalion Aug-41
Tank Brigade Sep-41
Rifle Brigade Sep-41
Army Artillery Regiment Sep-41
Artillery Regiment RVGK Sep-41
Light Rocket Battalion Sep-41
Ski Battalion Nov-41
Cavalry Corps Dec-41 (formed by combining 3 Cavalry Divisions)
Light Gun Brigade Jan-42
Light Howitzer Brigade Jan-42
Light Gun Regiment Jan-42
Mortar Regiment Jan-42
Tank Corps Apr-42 (formed by combining 3 Tank Brigades)
Motorized Brigade Apr-42
AT-Rifle Battalion Apr-42
Guards Rifle Division Apr-42 (formed by combining 3 Airborne Brigades between Apr-42 and Dec-42, or awarded through combat after Aug-41)
Gun Brigade May-42
Flamethrower Company May-42
2x Rifle Bde convert to Div May-42 (if both Brigades are Guards, the resulting Division is also Guards)
TD Battery May-42
Rifle Corps Jun-42 (formed by combining 3 Rifle Divisions, or 2 Rifle Divisions and 1 Rifle Brigade)
Guards Rifle Corps Jun-42 (formed by combining 3 Guards Rifle Divisions, or 2 Guards Rifle Divisions and any kind of Rifle Brigade)
Heavy AT Regiment Jun-42
AA Regiment Jun-42
Heavy Rocket Battalion Jun-42
Tank Army HQ Jul-42
Flame Tank Battalion Jul-42
TD Artillery Battalion Aug-42
Mechanized Corps Sep-42 (formed by combining 3 Mechanized Brigades or 3 Motorized Brigades)
Mechanized Brigade Sep-42
Ski Brigade Sep-42
Separate Tank Regiment Sep-42
Artillery Division Oct-42 (automatic Guards status)
Heavy Tank Regiment Oct-42
Heavy Rocket Brigade Nov-42
Mountain Mortar Regiment Nov-42
Rocket Launcher Division Dec-42
Guards Airborne Division Jan-43 (formed by combining 3 Airborne Brigades)
Breakthrough Artillery Division Mar-43
Light SU Regiment Mar-43
Medium SU Regiment Mar-43
Heavy SU Regiment Mar-43
Mortar Brigade Apr-43
Assault Engineer Sapper Brigade May-43
Army Gun Artillery Regiment May-43
Heavy Gun Artillery Division Jun-43
Corps Artillery Battalion Jun-43
Flamethrower Battalion Jun-43
Gun Artillery Division Sep-43
Light SU Brigade Feb-44
Flame Tank Regiment May-44
Medium SU Brigade Jan-45
Heavy Tank Brigade Feb-45
Heavy SU Brigade Mar-45
RE: Soviet unit creation date, TOE and AP cost list
Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:43 am
by Aurelian
Nice work!!!
And the CPs are as you say.
RE: Soviet unit creation date, TOE and AP cost list
Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:25 am
by smokindave34
Ths is very helpful - thank you![&o]
RE: Soviet unit creation date, TOE and AP cost list
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 3:29 pm
by gradenko2k
I've updated my post with command HQ costs and AP costs for creation/merging.
Would there be any interest in finding the total number of ARM points (or even manpower?) that would be consumed by the full TOE of any given unit?
RE: Soviet unit creation date, TOE and AP cost list
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 6:24 pm
by Aurelian
ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000
I've updated my post with command HQ costs and AP costs for creation/merging.
Would there be any interest in finding the total number of ARM points (or even manpower?) that would be consumed by the full TOE of any given unit?
That would be useful.
RE: Soviet unit creation date, TOE and AP cost list
Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 9:29 am
by Banzan
ORIGINAL: gradenko_2000
Artillery Division Oct-42 (automatic Guards status)
Heavy Tank Regiment Oct-42
I think there is a typo/misplace. I'm pretty sure the Heavy Tank Regiment is set to guards, not the Artillery Division.
RE: Soviet unit creation date, TOE and AP cost list
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:51 pm
by Walloc
Bump