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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

ORIGINAL: Dixie

If only...

Wow. What are all these?

Hawker Sea Fury, Supermarine Seafang, Blackburn Firebrand
Hawker Tempest F.II, Mosquito NF.XXX, Avro Shackleton MR.I

Very nice. Can I impose for sides and tops in .bmp?

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


Very nice. Can I impose for sides and tops in .bmp?

For you? Absolutely old boy, may take a wee while while I fit the work in.

I'd like them too, please.

ORIGINAL: Terminus

I'd like them too, please.

I can't say no to Termy either. It would be like kicking a large bald Great Dane puppy [:D]

ARF!

ORIGINAL: Dixie

ORIGINAL: Terminus

I'd like them too, please.

I can't say no to Termy either. It would be like kicking a large bald Great Dane puppy [:D]

That paints an interesting picture....

ORIGINAL: packerpete
I thought I would point out that the Avengers were being pushed out of front line service by the Helldivers

Not for British usage, Helldiver was outright rejected as unfit for service due to 'appalling handling'. Barracuda and Spearfish were both dual role dive/torpedo bombers.

ORIGINAL: Dixie

If only...

Nice! Shackleton is pushing it ('46 requirement, '49 first flight), but the others are all '46 aircraft, '45 in some cases.

ORIGINAL: dwg

ORIGINAL: Dixie

If only...

Nice! Shackleton is pushing it ('46 requirement, '49 first flight), but the others are all '46 aircraft, '45 in some cases.

Aye, but just perhaps in some alternative world the lessons of the Great War were actually learned and the protection of British trade was taken seriously from the start. Not likely but it can be fun to wonder sometimes.

ORIGINAL: Dixie

ORIGINAL: dwg
Nice! Shackleton is pushing it ('46 requirement, '49 first flight), but the others are all '46 aircraft, '45 in some cases.

Aye, but just perhaps in some alternative world the lessons of the Great War were actually learned and the protection of British trade was taken seriously from the start. Not likely but it can be fun to wonder sometimes.

On reflection Shackleton could easily have been speeded up, it's essentially a Lincoln with an alternate fuselage, and there was a glut of Lancaster/Lincoln alternate fuselage transport versions - York, Lancastrian, Lincolnian, Tudor, Jet Tudor, and Ashton - being worked on that could have seen work diverted into an MR variant.

ORIGINAL: packerpete

Not trying to disagree here, but I thought I would point out that the Avengers were being pushed out of front line service by the Helldivers because they could both dive bomb and drop torpedoes as well as having a smaller deck spot and longer range on the larger Carriers.

That's backwards. Avengers could dive bomb and drop torpedoes, and had a shorter takeoff run and longer range on carriers (which is why the CVEs operated Avengers. The number of Avengers on US carriers remained stable, while the number of Helldivers was reduced, though they were replaced by Corsairs and Hellcats rather than more Avengers. Post-war, Helldivers were retired rather quickly, while Avengers stayed in service for several years (mainly as ASW aircraft as they were replaced in the strike role by Skyraiders).

Seafang, Firebrand and Tempest top art.

check out this link http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/hist-ac/sb2c.pdf

You are correct in that the aircraft was never employed operationally with a torpedo. All that I was saying was the aircraft was designed from the beginning to have this capability. Can you do it in game? Probably not. I personally would like to know if rockets and other types of specialty ordinance are/can be used in game also. I know JWE posted on this a couple of times but I think he said that the game engine does not handle it well.

Replies to other posters. The Avenger could not dive bomb. It could only GLIDE bomb just like in game.

I misspoke/typed too. The Avenger did have a smaller deck spot but hanger deck height was why the Helldivers could not go on the CVE's. The Helldiver's notorious bad slow speed handling characteristics and a relatively few number of SB2C's probably were also a factor in keeping them on the big decks.

I also found out that the Avenger had a larger bombbay which kept it in service longer as an ASW asset than would have otherwise happened. The Helldiver also had a longer range than the Avenger but tactically the advantage was negligible.

Thanks to the poster that reminded me where to find this link from the AD Skyraider thread.