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Yeah I did own Kingmaker..I think it was the first wargame I ever bought...

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ORIGINAL: catwhoorg

York has enough history sites, so much so its more than a day to visit even the major ones.

Leicester needs the help, let him stay there.

[:D]


(as for gaming in the period, Kingmaker was a great draw at my old wargames club. Quick enough for an evening, and very social)

He should go to Westminster Abbey!!!![;)]

Ah, Kingmaker.....(nostalgic sigh).....wonderful!![:)]

warspite1

Indeed. State Funeral with Westminster Abbey as his final resting place. Now just get it sorted Mr Cameron...

Why the "wink" emoticon re: a burial at Westminster Abbey? Wasn't he a king? Are there some unspoken rules about which kings or other regents will be granted that favour (sic) or honour (sic)?

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Why the "wink" emoticon re: a burial at Westminster Abbey? Wasn't he a king? Are there some unspoken rules about which kings or other regents will be granted that favour (sic) or honour (sic)?

warspite1

I am afraid you will have to ask Empire. I am absolutely serious about the Abbey - Richard was our King, our Head of State, and he deserves to be treated as such.

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Why the "wink" emoticon re: a burial at Westminster Abbey? Wasn't he a king? Are there some unspoken rules about which kings or other regents will be granted that favour (sic) or honour (sic)?

Well it will not happen, thats why I 'winked'.

There are no hard and fast rules about burial at Westminster Abbey.
Its really upto the individual where they wish to be laid to rest, or in very rare circumstances, the State will bequeath the honour to some individual who has done great service to the country.

I'd like to see Richard back in his homeland ie York, but as long as he gets a proper funeral, thats all that really matters.

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Why the "wink" emoticon re: a burial at Westminster Abbey? Wasn't he a king? Are there some unspoken rules about which kings or other regents will be granted that favour (sic) or honour (sic)?

Well it will not happen, thats why I 'winked'.

There are no hard and fast rules about burial at Westminster Abbey.
Its really upto the individual where they wish to be laid to rest, or in very rare circumstances, the State will bequeath the honour to some individual who has done great service to the country.

I'd like to see Richard back in his homeland ie York, but as long as he gets a proper funeral, thats all that really matters.

warspite1

TREASON!!!!!!

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Why the "wink" emoticon re: a burial at Westminster Abbey? Wasn't he a king? Are there some unspoken rules about which kings or other regents will be granted that favour (sic) or honour (sic)?

warspite1

I am afraid you will have to ask Empire. I am absolutely serious about the Abbey - Richard was our King, our Head of State, and he deserves to be treated as such.

Well I'd like to see him buried in Westminster Abbey Mr. W, but I don't think the powers that be would even consider it until the Prince's in the Tower puzzle is sorted out....and that sir, will probably never be got to the the bottom of.

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Why the "wink" emoticon re: a burial at Westminster Abbey? Wasn't he a king? Are there some unspoken rules about which kings or other regents will be granted that favour (sic) or honour (sic)?

Well it will not happen, thats why I 'winked'.

There are no hard and fast rules about burial at Westminster Abbey.
Its really upto the individual where they wish to be laid to rest, or in very rare circumstances, the State will bequeath the honour to some individual who has done great service to the country.

I'd like to see Richard back in his homeland ie York, but as long as he gets a proper funeral, thats all that really matters.

warspite1

TREASON!!!!!!

Now where have I heard that before??

Ah yes...'TREASON..TREASON TREASON'......or was it...'A horse, a horse, my Kingdom for a horse'...... its so confusing all this fact and fiction....one could almost believe Henry VII was a good and just king....or was he???


Lord Percy Percy:- My Lord, you have nothing to worry about; The Prince's are dead.

Richard, Duke of Gloucester:- WHAT!!!! OH MY GOD.....WHAT HAVE YOU DONE PERCY???

Lord Percy Percy:- Ummm....ahhhh, you did say you wanted them murdered and done away my Leige.

Richard, Duke of Gloucester:- No you idiot, I said I wanted them taken further away, not murdered and done away...... you imbecile.
Christ this is going to look bad 600 years down the line.

ORIGINAL: Empire101
Henry VII was a good and just king....or was he???

Doubtful. He was English, wasn't he? [:'(]

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Why the "wink" emoticon re: a burial at Westminster Abbey? Wasn't he a king? Are there some unspoken rules about which kings or other regents will be granted that favour (sic) or honour (sic)?

warspite1

I am afraid you will have to ask Empire. I am absolutely serious about the Abbey - Richard was our King, our Head of State, and he deserves to be treated as such.

Well I'd like to see him buried in Westminster Abbey Mr. W, but I don't think the powers that be would even consider it until the Prince's in the Tower puzzle is sorted out....and that sir, will probably never be got to the the bottom of.

warspite1

But but......

a) The Princes in the Tower is irrelevant - Richard III was our Head of State, our Monarch.
b) Innocent until proven guilty.
c) If we are going to get all silly about minor indescretions like Nepoticide, then what about Henry VIII lopping heads off left, right and centre or the Catholics burning the Prodies or the Prodies burning the Catholics?

Well yes you are right of course Warspite.

But history has decreed Richard III was a villian, and that idea is imbedded in the minds of too many.

All the Kings and Queens of Europe were nonchalantly killing off relatives with an equal or better claim than their own, or in some instances just killing people they thought 'might' be a threat at a later date, but their crimes are long forgotten.

As to Westminster, you are preaching to the converted, but I don't think it will happen.[:(]

Richard III was indeed King, however it is not that common for monarchs to be buried at the Abbey.

The one argument I think that has great weight for such a move is that his wife is interned there (Anne Neville).

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Henry VII was a good and just king....or was he???

Doubtful. He was English, wasn't he? [:'(]

Now then, now then!! What have we ere??[:D]

ORIGINAL: catwhoorg

Richard III was indeed King, however it is not that common for monarchs to be buried at the Abbey.

The one argument I think that has great weight for such a move is that his wife is interned there (Anne Neville).

I did not know that!!!

That changes everything....he MUST be buried alongside the wife he loved so much.

Thats the irrefutable fact that means he must....nay demands sir, that he has a State Funeral and be buried at Westminster Abbey

To paraphrase Terry Pratchett, Richard III died of natural causes. Being walloped repeated by a sword IS natural causes for a king.

ORIGINAL: Empire101

ORIGINAL: catwhoorg

Richard III was indeed King, however it is not that common for monarchs to be buried at the Abbey.

The one argument I think that has great weight for such a move is that his wife is interned there (Anne Neville).

I did not know that!!!

That changes everything....he MUST be buried alongside the wife he loved so much.

Thats the irrefutable fact that means he must....nay demands sir, that he has a State Funeral and be buried at Westminster Abbey

How much would this cost and who should pay?

ORIGINAL: Orm

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ORIGINAL: catwhoorg

Richard III was indeed King, however it is not that common for monarchs to be buried at the Abbey.

The one argument I think that has great weight for such a move is that his wife is interned there (Anne Neville).

I did not know that!!!

That changes everything....he MUST be buried alongside the wife he loved so much.

Thats the irrefutable fact that means he must....nay demands sir, that he has a State Funeral and be buried at Westminster Abbey

How much would this cost and who should pay?

warspite1

Cost doesn't come into it - I repeat, he was our King and deserves a state funeral - to hell with the cost. We just paid a bzillion pounds for the Olympics, we can afford to give Richard a proper send off.

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I did not know that!!!

That changes everything....he MUST be buried alongside the wife he loved so much.

Thats the irrefutable fact that means he must....nay demands sir, that he has a State Funeral and be buried at Westminster Abbey

How much would this cost and who should pay?

warspite1

Cost doesn't come into it - I repeat, he was our King and deserves a state funeral - to hell with the cost. We just paid a bzillion pounds for the Olympics, we can afford to give Richard a proper send off.

Indeed sir!!!! I could not agree more!!

Wasn't the last English King Harold? And how many years until a King stopped speaking French and started speaking English. Did Richard III speak English? Just curious [8|]

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lol you asshat. I didn't know if there were several King Richards.

I think there's a clue in the title of the thread! [8D]