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I really don't think Bombay can be taken unless he can a)run you out of supplies, or b) win the air war so completely that in heavy urban terrain he can inflict enough airfield damage to keep you from rebuilding level 1 or 2 forts (even then, I would be skeptical). You've got a lot of engineers there, and even if he can rotate out divisions freely, I just don't see him breaking that in heavy urban while you have supplies. The disruption will just be so high, and level 2 forts build so quickly with that kind of engineering staff.

Gotta say, GJ. You are getting pretty darn good at this game. [&o]

Thanks guys. Here's the screenshot of the present China situation. You can see the sites of the most recent battles where, so far, we've been able to stop the japanese advance

ORIGINAL: Saros

Junyo is down, i'm shocked you didn't see her sink outright with that sort of damage.

Also taking Fulmars into battle... you're a brave man!

I'm surprised too! I even didn't see anything in the intel report that can confirm her sinking... but with 4 torps she cannot survive

Fulmar are bad, we all know it, but they are just pretty adequate for escorting slow biplanes into battles

ORIGINAL: KingLouisiana

I am playing MrKane as the Japanese against his allies and he definitely is beating me ... I havent crashed the Japanese economy yet and I do have some things going for me. But its almost July 1942 and I am behind on the conquests by far. I do have the advantage of having caught him napping in Ceylon where I sank a carrier in port (game claims it was an American CV but I am pretty sure it was British) and I caught all of the British reinforcement battleships at sea with the KB but have no confirmation of them sinking (45 hits on one and no sinking stupid Val bombs) and I just got a US carrier for the loss of one of the mini KB light carriers.

He will forget to check some things (dont we all) but he does get turns around extremely fast. I feel like I am the slow one and we usually can get at minimum 2 turns a day.

Good luck GJ and I will be following this to try to get even more feel of his play style.

MrKane is a very good player imho. He seems to have a very clear strategic view as Japan. I think i've surprised him in some cases just because he didn't expect me to be so aggressive with my carriers so early.

By now we've got: 2 CVEs, 1 CV, the BB Yamashiro and some 5 CLs. The Ise and the Yamato both ate 2 torps each, so they should need yard time.

I think the best way to deal with the allied inferiority in 1942 in terms of CVs is to divide them early on. With 3 different groups of 3 CVs each you can do a lot of simultaneus operations and the KB cannot be everywhere. Keeping all your CVs togheder will possibly mean losing them all, while if you keep on playing cat&mouse game with several CVTFs you minimize the risk and you force him to burn a lot of fuel, hunting shadows all around the world.
This is what i've learnt from QBall[&o]

ORIGINAL: Schlemiel

I really don't think Bombay can be taken unless he can a)run you out of supplies, or b) win the air war so completely that in heavy urban terrain he can inflict enough airfield damage to keep you from rebuilding level 1 or 2 forts (even then, I would be skeptical). You've got a lot of engineers there, and even if he can rotate out divisions freely, I just don't see him breaking that in heavy urban while you have supplies. The disruption will just be so high, and level 2 forts build so quickly with that kind of engineering staff.

Me neither, but i have to say i've been surprised to see him dropping two forts so fast...so i may be surprised again...
However the Heavy Hurban is a great bonus, even without forts and my supplies are pretty in good shape. The arrival in India of the XII Corp may be a game changer...even if he can conquer Bombay, he will need quite a lot of time imho...and during that time the rescue army can arrive to threaten the flanks of his indian conquests

Here's the rescue plan for India

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Great, a new GJ AAR! Now, who's your opponent?

Don't think i'll do a complete AAR. For sure I wanted to skip the first boring months... but the match against QBall (which will be resumed on July 16th) has the priority, also for what concerns the AAR...and I don't have that much time lately (well, until august anyway).

My opponent is Mr.Kane. I can tell you: he may not be that well known on the forums but he's a damned good Japanese opponent who knows its job far better than me

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Surely with your tanks units and the wide open spaces (and it applies to him as well), there are going to be some real chances for some encirclements that are going to rival Vyazma?

He can't possibly take Bombay before you can put him into real trouble

ORIGINAL: Encircled

Surely with your tanks units and the wide open spaces (and it applies to him as well), there are going to be some real chances for some encirclements that are going to rival Vyazma?

He can't possibly take Bombay before you can put him into real trouble

Once the tanks start to roll in, i think the situation will already be in allied favour. His tanks are good, sure, but cannot compete with mine and my Emergency reinforcements divisions have enough AT guns to really ruin his day.
The fact is that the more he lingers in India, the more problematic will get his situation in the Pacific. As far as i can tell, only the 53rd division , recently bought out from Tokyo, may be around in the pacific... and that is not enough without the Kb guarding his lines.

If he moves the Kb back, i'll be able to send more reinforcements to Karachi from Aden and from Diego, using 3 US CVs and the RN CVs in order to provide air cover.

His Netties may be a problem but he doesn't have enough sentais to both cover Socodra, Bombay, Colombo and the Whole Pacific at the same time

June 2, 1942

Synch bug strikes again ((((( Seems that the last 4/5 days have all been a fake!!!! [:@][:@][:@] Guess that's why we didn't have any report of the sinking of the enemy CV...and that's why the Yamato (who ate, in MY world, 3 torps in two days) was still able to perform 27 knots

From what i can understand, the situation doesn't look good at Bombay.

3 days of constant (unopposed) naval bombings have wrecked my air force, Killing more than 100 planes on the ground and shutting down the AF. Then his tojo sweeps did the rest... i had to evacuate the AF... He then attacked after the last 2 naval bombardments, dropping the forts to 3 [X(], even if suffering more than 20,000 casualities in the process... but man! 6 forts really lasted NOT long!!!

However my INF units are still in good shape and i have plenty of supplies... his adjusted AV rario is still less than 1-10 so he's still long way from getting it, but forts are really dropping fast and now the airspace is his...

However, we're moving forward.The allies continue to assemble their forces in the pacific, while the KB remains at Colombo, leaving the dirty job to his BB/CAs at Bombay.

Thaiti has been garrisoned and now we're unloading 50k supplies and 50k fuel...i need a port half way from Oz to US.

The 53rd Division is unloading at Guam...while the 54th is been moving around in the DEI AFAIK from signin reports... that means he has already bought out 2 Divisions....gotta keep track of them


Ground combat at Bombay (36,24)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 117828 troops, 2825 guns, 938 vehicles, Assault Value = 3440

Defending force 106951 troops, 1164 guns, 1836 vehicles, Assault Value = 2600

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Japanese adjusted assault: 1143

Allied adjusted defense: 17493

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 15 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
9892 casualties reported
Squads: 40 destroyed, 614 disabled
Non Combat: 17 destroyed, 177 disabled
Engineers: 33 destroyed, 158 disabled
Guns lost 210 (12 destroyed, 198 disabled)
Vehicles lost 29 (5 destroyed, 24 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
488 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 58 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 40 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled
Guns lost 14 (1 destroyed, 13 disabled)
Vehicles lost 63 (11 destroyed, 52 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Imperial Guards Division
38th Division
2nd Division
16th Division
6th Guards Division
5th Guards Engineer Regiment
18th Division
48th Div /1
9th RF Gun Battalion
1st RF Gun Battalion
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
10th RF Gun Battalion
6th Field Construction Battalion
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
23rd AA Regiment
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Mortar Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Mortar Battalion
8th RF Gun Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
Southern Army
21st Army

Defending units:
7th Australian Division
16th Light Cavalry Regiment
150th RAC Regiment
50th Tank Brigade
23rd Indian Division
20th Indian Division
7th Indian Division
Bombay Fortress
255th Armoured Brigade
84th Indian Brigade
26th Indian Division
42nd Cavalry Regiment
Waziristan Division
India Command
6th Heavy AA Regiment
3rd Hyderabad Base Force
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
IV Indian Corps
2nd Hyderabad Base Force
Pathan Construction Battalion
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
43rd Construction Regiment
1st South India Base Force
208th RAF Adv Base Force
222 Group Base Force
223 RAF Base Force
1st Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment
2/2 AIF Pioneer Battalion
2/1st Med Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Madras Construction Battalion
21st Light AA Regiment
Southern Command
6th Medium Regiment
1st Bombay Construction Battalion
2/9th Field Regiment
1st Hyderabad Base Force
308th Base Group
46th Construction Regiment
2nd Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment
225 Group RAF
221 Group Base Force
102nd RN Base Force
Sikh Construction Battalion

Mr.Kane just told me that one of his CV got, IN REALITY, 2 torps in his belly during the last turn...i guess it was near Colombo, where we spotted the KB last time...

I still don't think forts are at all necessary in heavy urban so long as he can't shut off the supplies completely. You have a lot of engineering units there, and he can't afford to even DA every day due to disruption (even with heavy unit rotation). I'm not sure the Japanese army can capture a well defended heavy urban city in a stacking limits game unless they can get the supply down to 0. Even late game allies might struggle with that proposition.

ORIGINAL: Schlemiel

I still don't think forts are at all necessary in heavy urban so long as he can't shut off the supplies completely. You have a lot of engineering units there, and he can't afford to even DA every day due to disruption (even with heavy unit rotation). I'm not sure the Japanese army can capture a well defended heavy urban city in a stacking limits game unless they can get the supply down to 0. Even late game allies might struggle with that proposition.

Well, supplies aren't really a problem. at least for now. Still have 550k of them. I'm pretty curious to see what happens. For sure i will try to free the sieged city. Sooner or later the KB will have to move out of that theatre and i'll be able to move my Navy again. For the moment being, tough, those brave guys will have to stand alone

I think one of the beta changes along the way (last official release, even?) changed it so supply dump hits do supply damage based on their ratings rather than a % like it used to be. That should make it much harder to wear down that stockpile.

ORIGINAL: Schlemiel

I think one of the beta changes along the way (last official release, even?) changed it so supply dump hits do supply damage based on their ratings rather than a % like it used to be.

Been that way since at least 2010. Possibly earlier.

5 more days and forts are down to 1...[X(]

Night Naval bombardment of Bombay at 36,24 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 8 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
Beaufort V: 1 damaged
Beaufort V: 1 destroyed on ground
P-38E Lightning: 3 damaged
Hudson IIIa: 10 damaged
Hudson IIIa: 2 destroyed on ground
Wirraway: 5 damaged
Wapiti IIa: 2 damaged
Vildebeest III: 5 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei
CA Kumano
CA Ashigara
CA Maya

Allied ground losses:
467 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 17 (1 destroyed, 16 disabled)
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 49
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1
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Night Naval bombardment of Bombay at 36,24

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 28 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
Vildebeest III: 2 damaged
Vildebeest III: 1 destroyed on ground
Beaufort V: 5 damaged
Beaufort V: 1 destroyed on ground
P-40E Warhawk: 2 damaged
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground
Hudson IIIa: 14 damaged
Hudson IIIa: 4 destroyed on ground
P-38E Lightning: 8 damaged
P-38E Lightning: 1 destroyed on ground
Wirraway: 6 damaged
Wirraway: 1 destroyed on ground
Wapiti IIa: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso
BB Mutsu
BB Nagato
CA Nachi
CA Myoko
CA Chokai
CA Takao
DD Shirayuki
DD Isonami
DD Shirakumo
DD Usugumo
DD Shinonome

Allied ground losses:
683 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 54 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 21 (9 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (2 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Heavy Industry hits 1
Resources hits 1
Manpower hits 1
Fires 385
Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 57
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1


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Night Naval bombardment of Bombay at 36,24 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese Ships
CA Suzuya
CA Mikuma
CA Mogami
DD Yugure
DD Yudachi
DD Harusame
DD Murasame
DD Shigure
DD Shiratsuyu


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TF 183 encounters mine field at Bombay (36,24) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

12 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
DMS Tatsuko, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DMS Taneko, Shell hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DMS Taboko, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage

DMS Tatsuko firing at 1st Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment
1st Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment firing at DMS Tatsuko
DMS Taneko firing at 1st Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment
1st Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment firing at DMS Taneko
1st Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment firing at DMS Taboko
DMS Taboko firing at 1st Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment
12 mines cleared



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Ground combat at Bombay (36,24)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 159638 troops, 3001 guns, 977 vehicles, Assault Value = 2814

Defending force 106782 troops, 1166 guns, 1847 vehicles, Assault Value = 2626

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 1189

Allied adjusted defense: 16693

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 14 (fort level 2)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
14931 casualties reported
Squads: 129 destroyed, 776 disabled
Non Combat: 23 destroyed, 185 disabled
Engineers: 45 destroyed, 105 disabled
Guns lost 229 (45 destroyed, 184 disabled)
Vehicles lost 42 (4 destroyed, 38 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
492 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 65 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 28 disabled
Guns lost 16 (1 destroyed, 15 disabled)
Vehicles lost 78 (13 destroyed, 65 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Imperial Guards Division
16th Division
38th Division
48th Division
2nd Division
18th Division
6th Guards Division
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
2nd Mortar Battalion
23rd AA Regiment
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Mortar Battalion
1st RF Gun Battalion
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
10th RF Gun Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
Southern Army
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
8th RF Gun Battalion
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
5th Mortar Battalion
9th RF Gun Battalion
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
6th Field Construction Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
21st Army

Defending units:
150th RAC Regiment
16th Light Cavalry Regiment
7th Australian Division
23rd Indian Division
Bombay Fortress
84th Indian Brigade
42nd Cavalry Regiment
255th Armoured Brigade
26th Indian Division
7th Indian Division
50th Tank Brigade
20th Indian Division
Waziristan Division
2nd Hyderabad Base Force
2/2 AIF Pioneer Battalion
43rd Construction Regiment
1st South India Base Force
2nd Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
Southern Command
6th Heavy AA Regiment
IV Indian Corps
46th Construction Regiment
India Command
1st Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment
Pathan Construction Battalion
223 RAF Base Force
102nd RN Base Force
221 Group Base Force
1st Bombay Construction Battalion
222 Group Base Force
6th Medium Regiment
225 Group RAF
2/1st Med Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
1st Madras Construction Battalion
308th Base Group
3rd Hyderabad Base Force
20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
21st Light AA Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
208th RAF Adv Base Force
1st Hyderabad Base Force
2/11th Field Regiment
Sikh Construction Battalion


AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jun 09, 42
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ASW attack near Bombay at 35,24

Japanese Ships
DD Usugumo
CA Nachi
DD Isonami
DD Shirayuki

Allied Ships
SS S-39, hits 1

SS S-39 launches 2 torpedoes at DD Usugumo
DD Shirayuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Usugumo fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shirayuki attacking submerged sub ....
DD Usugumo fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Shirayuki fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Shirayuki attacking submerged sub ....
DD Shirayuki is out of ASW ammo
DD --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Night Naval bombardment of Bombay at 36,24 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei
CA Kumano
CA Suzuya
CA Mikuma
CA Mogami

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Night Naval bombardment of Bombay at 36,24 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Vildebeest III: 1 damaged
Beaufort V: 1 damaged
P-38E Lightning: 9 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 4 damaged
Hudson IIIa: 3 damaged
Wapiti IIa: 1 destroyed on ground

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso
BB Mutsu
BB Nagato
CA Nachi
CA Myoko
CA Chokai
CA Takao
DD Shirayuki
DD Isonami
DD Shirakumo
DD Usugumo
DD Shinonome

Allied ground losses:
242 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 7 (3 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Airbase hits 7
Runway hits 39


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Ground combat at Bombay (36,24)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 182723 troops, 3073 guns, 1153 vehicles, Assault Value = 3656

Defending force 107146 troops, 1173 guns, 1849 vehicles, Assault Value = 2591

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 1528

Allied adjusted defense: 17885

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 11 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
14300 casualties reported
Squads: 190 destroyed, 751 disabled
Non Combat: 35 destroyed, 208 disabled
Engineers: 60 destroyed, 79 disabled
Guns lost 125 (23 destroyed, 102 disabled)
Vehicles lost 130 (44 destroyed, 86 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1479 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 79 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 45 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 38 disabled
Guns lost 40 (1 destroyed, 39 disabled)
Vehicles lost 66 (15 destroyed, 51 disabled)

Assaulting units:
38th Division
16th Division
1st Tank Regiment
2nd Division
4th Division
14th Tank Regiment
18th Division
Imperial Guards Division
48th Division
6th Guards Division
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Mortar Battalion
8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Mortar Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
23rd AA Regiment
Southern Army
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st RF Gun Battalion
8th RF Gun Battalion
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
1st Medium Field Artillery Regiment
10th RF Gun Battalion
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion
3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
5th Mortar Battalion
9th RF Gun Battalion
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
6th Field Construction Battalion
21st Army

Defending units:
Bombay Fortress
16th Light Cavalry Regiment
23rd Indian Division
84th Indian Brigade
7th Indian Division
150th RAC Regiment
20th Indian Division
255th Armoured Brigade
26th Indian Division
50th Tank Brigade
7th Australian Division
42nd Cavalry Regiment
Waziristan Division
2nd Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment
225 Group RAF
223 RAF Base Force
2/9th Field Regiment
21st Light AA Regiment
Pathan Construction Battalion
221 Group Base Force
2/1st Med Regiment
1st Madras Construction Battalion
2nd Hyderabad Base Force
1st Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment
2/2 AIF Pioneer Battalion
India Command
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
43rd Construction Regiment
308th Base Group
222 Group Base Force
1st Hyderabad Base Force
20th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
208th RAF Adv Base Force
1st South India Base Force
2/11th Field Regiment
6th Medium Regiment
IV Indian Corps
1st Bombay Construction Battalion
Southern Command
6th Heavy AA Regiment
3rd Hyderabad Base Force
24th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
102nd RN Base Force
46th Construction Regiment
Sikh Construction Battalion


He's now overstacking a lot.... must have some supplies problem sooner or later

As you can see, forts don't mean a great deal under these circumstances.  He's wearing out his army.  The game is giving him little tidbits of optimism that are flattering only to deceive.  Bombay = Stalingrad.