ORIGINAL: Lokasenna
ORIGINAL: warspite1
Having a sensible grown up debate with you is clearly impossible.
Because I'm better at words than you are?
ORIGINAL: warspite1
I have made quite clear that my opening remark may be incorrect - indeed I hope for the sake of peace in the region that it is.
Oh yes. You've made it quite clear. But you also want everyone to continue doubting. You're being disingenuous and your hand-wringing attitude is offensive. "They said they're sorry, and oh I sure hope they really are,
but what if they aren't? What about that one guy who said they weren't that one time? It sure would be a shame if that somehow cancelled out all the other apologies they've made." It's like you're auditioning for a spot on Fox News - like it's your job to sow doubt and discontent against the Other.
ORIGINAL: warspite1
May be its one of the above, may be, and more likely, its elements of all three. As I said I have an opinion formed, not through extensive reading of the situation, but through reading of the odd article, news program, tv documentaries down the years. The fact that I - and millions of others in east and west - have that opinion means something has got lost in the translation; the message, for whatever reason, isn't getting out there.
When some dingleberry says something stupid (typically at the cost of their job as a public official), it gets more news. You aren't going to read odd articles about Japan apologizing again.
warspite1
Because I'm better at words than you are?
Sadly, you must really believe that; you said it with no hint of irony or embarrassment. Well Done.
But you also want everyone to continue doubting. You're being disingenuous and your hand-wringing attitude is offensive.
Maybe you are right with your first remark after all, because I am really struggling to answer this. Your reply is so completely and utterly nonsensical, so completely off beam, so remote from correctly referencing what I was saying and what I meant, that there are only two possibilities:
a) You are simply trying to cause trouble and an argument where none exists, or
b) You are a buffoon.
Now, as much as I would like to answer b) I suspect a) is the real answer. Either way you look like a buffoon. I want everyone to continue doubting? hand-wringing attitude? Offensive?
I'm trying to have a conversation about a subject I clearly know even less about than I thought. As ever, Mind_Messing and I disagree (at least at the start) but he can, as he's done with our previous debates, make his point without getting all hysterical and spouting conspiracy theories. NO you buffoon, I am not trying to make anyone believe anything, I am spouting an opinion while trying to be educated. Calm down dear its just a conversation....
You aren't going to read odd articles about Japan apologizing again.
Which, if you could be arsed to read, was precisely my point. My point of view, expressed in my first post is clearly the result of Japanese apologising not being newsworthy, but Japanese war crime denial being so. So the latter gets all the air time Why on earth was that so difficult for you to comprehend?
So just to make completely clear:
- I was wrong about the extent to which Japan have apologised for their war crimes.
- I believe however that Japan has made the situation (a situation her detractors are all too keen to exploit) worse by not being unequivocal in her denial (like the Germans for example).