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RE: Who is she?
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:04 pm
by Orm
ORIGINAL: warspite1
ORIGINAL: Orm
ORIGINAL: warspite1
warspite1
HMS Warspite - Bremerton in 1942?
You got one right. [:)]
Want to have another go at where and when?
Edit: I really like this picture. [:)]
warspite1
Esquimalt - on her way to Bremerton? I thought with that colour scheme it must be no earlier than 1942. Are you sure about this Ormster? That looks like her AA above B turret being mounted. That was her 1942 refit at Bremerton I thought.
EDIT: Could be 1941 as the refit goes not look near completion, but I am convinced this is Bremerton.
It is Bremerton. My bad. But the date is Aug. or Sept. 1941.
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:06 pm
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: Orm
ORIGINAL: warspite1
ORIGINAL: Orm
You got one right. [:)]
Want to have another go at where and when?
Edit: I really like this picture. [:)]
warspite1
Esquimalt - on her way to Bremerton? I thought with that colour scheme it must be no earlier than 1942. Are you sure about this Ormster? That looks like her AA above B turret being mounted. That was her 1942 refit at Bremerton I thought.
EDIT: Could be 1941 as the refit goes not look near completion, but I am convinced this is Bremerton.
It is Bremerton. My bad. But the date is Aug. or Sept. 1941.
warspite1
I always associate her refit as 1942 as this is when it was completed - of course the work would therefore be done in late 1941 so I should have known that.
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:09 pm
by Orm
There were more pictures of HMS Warspite where I found this one. Maybe you want to take a look. But beware that after the first two pictures on page three the rest might be better avoided.
http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_di ... rspite.htm
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:20 pm
by warspite1
This is still, to my mind, the saddest picture. She is coming to the end of her career.
Only three of her four turrets are in working order, and her top speed is around 17 knots. She is no longer needed as a battleship - just a gun platform to pulverise German positions on the French and Belgians coast.
After 5 1/2 years of war her machinery is worn out, her weaponry useful - to the extent it still operates. Like a prize fighter that has taken too many hits during his career, she continues to dish out the blows on a diminishing basis and she is essentially done - and will be paid off before the war in Europe is won.
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:25 pm
by Orm
Yes. That is indeed a sad picture. But the "preparing for scrapping" pictures were hard for me to watch.
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:32 pm
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: Orm
Yes. That is indeed a sad picture. But the "preparing for scrapping" pictures were hard for me to watch.
warspite1
I envy (if that is the right word) the Americans who have been able to preserve so much of their WWII history - and visiting one or more of those ships is defo on the bucket list.
Sadly at the end of WWII we were stoney broke - there was no money for museum ships and she was, like her surviving sisters indeed all her contempraries, paid off and quickly broken up. At least the Grand Old Lady chose her own end [:)]
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:06 pm
by JeffroK
ORIGINAL: warspite1
ORIGINAL: Orm
ORIGINAL: warspite1
warspite1
Esquimalt - on her way to Bremerton? I thought with that colour scheme it must be no earlier than 1942. Are you sure about this Ormster? That looks like her AA above B turret being mounted. That was her 1942 refit at Bremerton I thought.
EDIT: Could be 1941 as the refit goes not look near completion, but I am convinced this is Bremerton.
It is Bremerton. My bad. But the date is Aug. or Sept. 1941.
warspite1
I always associate her refit as 1942 as this is when it was completed - of course the work would therefore be done in late 1941 so I should have known that.
Arrived Puget Sound Naval Yard 11 August 1941, recommissioned 28 December 1941.
http://www.world-war.co.uk/bb/warspite.php3
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:49 pm
by wdolson
ORIGINAL: Orm
Yes. That is indeed a sad picture. But the "preparing for scrapping" pictures were hard for me to watch.
warspite1
ORIGINAL: warspite1
I envy (if that is the right word) the Americans who have been able to preserve so much of their WWII history - and visiting one or more of those ships is defo on the bucket list.
Sadly at the end of WWII we were stoney broke - there was no money for museum ships and she was, like her surviving sisters indeed all her contempraries, paid off and quickly broken up. At least the Grand Old Lady chose her own end [:)]
Most of what was saved were ships that were new enough to go into mothballs after the war and when they were deemed completely obsolete there was some interest in preserving that past. Some of the most valuable ships to history such as the Enterprise and San Francisco were scrapped too soon after the war to be saved, though there was an effort to save the Enterprise that came up short.
The only pre-fast battleship that was saved was the USS Texas.
You posted a picture of the last hurrah for the Warspite, the older US battleships had the same job for most of the last couple of years of the war. They got their pound of flesh at Surgaio Strait, but that was only because the enemy was obliging enough to sail right into their guns.
BTW, regarding that picture of HMS London. It may be the perspective, but the gun barrels look shorter than they usually do on a cruiser. Did she has short caliber guns for some reason? I'm nowhere near as well read on RN ships as you and some others here.
Bill
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 2:05 am
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: wdolson
ORIGINAL: Orm
Yes. That is indeed a sad picture. But the "preparing for scrapping" pictures were hard for me to watch.
warspite1
ORIGINAL: warspite1
I envy (if that is the right word) the Americans who have been able to preserve so much of their WWII history - and visiting one or more of those ships is defo on the bucket list.
Sadly at the end of WWII we were stoney broke - there was no money for museum ships and she was, like her surviving sisters indeed all her contempraries, paid off and quickly broken up. At least the Grand Old Lady chose her own end [:)]
Most of what was saved were ships that were new enough to go into mothballs after the war and when they were deemed completely obsolete there was some interest in preserving that past. Some of the most valuable ships to history such as the Enterprise and San Francisco were scrapped too soon after the war to be saved, though there was an effort to save the Enterprise that came up short.
The only pre-fast battleship that was saved was the USS Texas.
You posted a picture of the last hurrah for the Warspite, the older US battleships had the same job for most of the last couple of years of the war. They got their pound of flesh at Surgaio Strait, but that was only because the enemy was obliging enough to sail right into their guns.
BTW, regarding that picture of HMS London. It may be the perspective, but the gun barrels look shorter than they usually do on a cruiser. Did she has short caliber guns for some reason? I'm nowhere near as well read on RN ships as you and some others here.
Bill
warspite1
Bill the RN had one 8-inch gun version that the used on the County's and Exeter/York in WWII. This was the MkVIII 8-inch/50. Maybe it is the angle, but the calibre used for the modernised HMS London was no different to her sisters, half sisters and the smaller Exeter and York.
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:34 pm
by warspite1
Who am dat? Clue: Not strictly ETO this one.
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:42 pm
by pelthunter
HMS Saumarez?
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:54 pm
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: pelthunter
HMS Saumarez?
warspite1
No, not the Saumarez.
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:05 pm
by pelthunter
Ok my final guess;
HMS Chieftain?
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:09 pm
by warspite1
No, not Chieftain. This ship has, what I believe, is a unique record during WWII.
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:10 pm
by Gilbert
No, HMS PETARD!
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:48 pm
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: Gilbert
No, HMS PETARD!
warspite1
Is the correct answer. As far as I can make out she is the only ship to have had a hand in sinking a German, an Italian
and a Japanese submarine - hussah!
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:19 pm
by geofflambert
ORIGINAL: warspite1
a) too late
b) how did you know it was Barham from this picture?
No idea who Barnham is....[:D]
No it's not Barham. This one was named for P. T. Barnham. [:'(]
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:35 pm
by geofflambert
ORIGINAL: warspite1
ORIGINAL: Orm
Yes. That is indeed a sad picture. But the "preparing for scrapping" pictures were hard for me to watch.
warspite1
I envy (if that is the right word) the Americans who have been able to preserve so much of their WWII history - and visiting one or more of those ships is defo on the bucket list.
Sadly at the end of WWII we were stoney broke - there was no money for museum ships and she was, like her surviving sisters indeed all her contempraries, paid off and quickly broken up. At least the Grand Old Lady chose her own end [:)]
I wish we (the US) had preserved some, like one of the QE class. Ever since playing a Jutland game I've thought those ships were awesome. Wish a WWI German BC had been preserved despite the Washington Treaty. Get it in shallow water and fill the bottom with concrete like the Texas. I'm so glad we saved the Texas!
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:35 am
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: geofflambert
ORIGINAL: warspite1
ORIGINAL: Orm
Yes. That is indeed a sad picture. But the "preparing for scrapping" pictures were hard for me to watch.
warspite1
I envy (if that is the right word) the Americans who have been able to preserve so much of their WWII history - and visiting one or more of those ships is defo on the bucket list.
Sadly at the end of WWII we were stoney broke - there was no money for museum ships and she was, like her surviving sisters indeed all her contempraries, paid off and quickly broken up. At least the Grand Old Lady chose her own end [:)]
I wish we (the US) had preserved some, like one of the QE class. Ever since playing a Jutland game
I've thought those ships were awesome. Wish a WWI German BC had been preserved despite the Washington Treaty. Get it in shallow water and fill the bottom with concrete like the Texas. I'm so glad we saved the Texas!
warspite1
True enough - because of the relatively new technology, designs were still evolving and most ships of the time were just plain ugly, but the Queen Elizabeths - even in WWI guise - were simply floating hard-ons.
RE: Who is she?
Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:50 am
by Orm
This monitor served in WWII as a floating battery protecting a port.
1) What was the ports name?
2) What was the name of the monitor during WWI?
3) Toward the end of her career she served in another navy. What navy was that?
