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RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:20 pm
by Chickenboy
Here's today's mystery plane:

RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:30 pm
by BBfanboy
Must be a Nate or a Claude - if that thing sticking through the windscreen is the only MG on it.
What would the red and yellow dots on the fuselage in front of the pilot be for? To make sure he doesn't shoot there??
RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:44 pm
by Reg
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
Must be a Nate or a Claude - if that thing sticking through the windscreen is the only MG on it.
It's not a MG.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4117886&mpage=1
RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 8:55 pm
by Reg
ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
What would the red and yellow dots on the fuselage in front of the pilot be for? To make sure he doesn't shoot there??
The red dots will be the fuel filler caps* and the yellow is probably oil (radial engines used a lot and oil tanks were topped up at the same time as the fuel tanks).
* Note rearward position of the cockpit and that there is nothing in that section of fuselage (must be all tank**) and that it is located over the wing centre section so the aircraft centre of gravity doesn't move too far as it empties. <end of lesson> [;)]
** They appear to be large fuel tanks for an aircraft of this size. (For long range or big bang????) [&:]
RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:02 pm
by Reg
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: JeffK
KI-44 II hei of 2nd Chutai, 47th Sentai.
That's more like it. [8D]
Hey, you didn't want me to look it up did you... [:'(]
RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:03 pm
by JeffroK
Ki 115 Tsuragu
RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:05 pm
by JeffroK
ORIGINAL: Reg
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: JeffK
KI-44 II hei of 2nd Chutai, 47th Sentai.
That's more like it. [8D]
No one answered so I used wiki, very few had the blue fin flashes, mostly yellow.
Hey, you didn't want me to look it up did you... [:'(]
RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:25 pm
by Reg
ORIGINAL: JeffK
Ki 115 Tsuragu
Ahhh, Jeff you beat me to it. [:(]
This plane is actually a new one to me but its design (very cheap construction) hinted at its role (disposable kamikaze) so it was relatively easy to find.
(I wasn't going to post this but as Jeff has nailed it...)
Nakajima Ki-115 Tsurugi Suicide Fighter
..." Japanese authorities were equally optimistic and projected a monthly output of 8,000 such aircraft with hundreds of factories committed to the effort."
Wow!! [X(]
RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:06 pm
by JeffroK
I play AndyMac's Downfall a lot, there's millions of them.
RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:20 pm
by Jorge_Stanbury
That landing gear... Looks precarious because it was supposedly detachable. No need to keep it since it was a one way trip.
Interesting they were optimistic about 8000 a month. I can't see them getting enough AVGas
RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:40 pm
by MakeeLearn
The "Sword"

RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:41 pm
by MakeeLearn
Allied Vandals....

RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:32 am
by wdolson
ORIGINAL: Jorge_Stanbury
That landing gear... Looks precarious because it was supposedly detachable. No need to keep it since it was a one way trip.
Interesting they were optimistic about 8000 a month. I can't see them getting enough AVGas
They were sending people out into the countryside to harvest the roots of pine trees to make a substitute fuel. The program failed because it took 2/5 man hours of work per gallon of fuel.
This has a series of reports on alternative fuels Japan was trying to make:
https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/240213-types-of-aviation-fuel-used-by-japan-in-ww2/
The Germans were making avgas through coal liquification and I see a link on a similar program in Japan in the above link. It could be done, but it's very energy intensive, you need a lot of coal per gallon of fuel produced and it isn't even anywhere near economic today, 75 years later.
Bill
RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:33 am
by wdolson
ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn
Allied Vandals....
Looks more like the work of Visigoths, or maybe Hellcats. [:D]
Bill
RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:38 am
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: JeffK
Ki 115 Tsuragu
Atta boy, JeffK. [:)]
RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 9:51 am
by Chickenboy
Here's today's plane
du jour.
Note: The basic ID is pretty straightforward, but I need the Mk. number for full credit.

RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:10 am
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: Reg
This plane is actually a new one to me but its design (very cheap construction) hinted at its role (disposable kamikaze) so it was relatively easy to find.
That was my first thought too, Reg. Looking at the display with all the other well-modeled well...models...I happened across this one. Looking at the landing gear, lack of armament and generally unrefined lines, my instinctive reaction was, "What a piece of ****!" [:D]
Then I looked at the label and it made more sense.
RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:41 am
by MakeeLearn
MkVIc
RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 10:55 am
by MakeeLearn
reports on alternative fuels Japan was trying to make:
WitPAE
tm.asp?m=4174147
REPORTS OF THE U. S. NAVAL TECHNICAL MISSION TO JAPAN 1945 – 1946
http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/primary_ ... MJ_toc.htm
X-38(N)-2 Japanese Fuels and Lubricants-Article 2, Naval Research on Aviation Gasoline
X-38(N)-4 Japanese Fuels and Lubricants-Article 4, Pine Root Oil Program
X-38(N)-6 Japanese Fuels and Lubricants-Article 6, Research on Diesel and Boiler Fuels at the First Naval Depot, Ofuna
X-38(N)-7 Japanese Fuels and Lubricants-Article 7, Progress in the Synthesis of Liquid Fuels from Coal
and some of the others.
RE: OT: Name that plane / ship
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 11:15 am
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn
MkVIc
Nope.