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Jeff,

I'll post a screen shot of Intel screen this evening.

ORIGINAL: ny59giants_MatrixForum

A few turns have occurred, but scrolling down the Sink Ships list shows the following lost at Portland:
46 CVE
183 xAK
43 SC
77 TK
4 AM
28 LST
5 AK
14 YMS
3 AKA
10 APA

Yuck!! [:(]

Whoa! Hootchie Mama!I had no idea they would show up on the sunk ships list...or had forgotten that.

CVE's, tankers, and assault ships. Man, that's just plain painful [X(]

that's a lot of ships

77 Tankers?

Whoa, good luck getting fuel to where you need it with that sort of loss.

That means every tanker you've got afloat is irreplaceable.

I think you can do it...with less efficiency..but it can be done although it will require more pre-planning for big ops.

Good news, you get 65 TK reinforcements for the rest of the gamw, bad news is you get 65 TK reinforcements for the rest of the game [:)]

The 183 liberty ships will be just as dearly missed.

You are truly a masochist for taking this on just so you can prove your point that it isn't a "game over" cheap shot.

Have fun fighting the rest of the war with 2/3s of the assets you should have.

Are the victory points sufficient to ensure an AV before your side can even gear up enough to fight back?

It may be too big a hill to climb. I consider myself better than average when it comes to logistics. So, this could turn out to be a short war if my TKs take a considerable hit somewhere along the way.

Time will tell.

Isn't there some effect on unrestricting restricted units??

Plus, there is acceleration of the air units which is a serious advantage for the Allies. As long as you hold Seattle I think you can kick LYB ass. You just need to fight your fight with the USAAF and ground units at the start. The best place to do this is where the bases are close together and multiply overlapping and you don't need huge carrier forces to
advance....The Sundas..Java...Burma...after the emergency is dealt with in the CONUS just send half a dozen US divisions 100 B-17's and 100 P-38's to Oz or India.

Just forget about the Marshals and Marianas.

The South Pacific, New Guinea, even Midway don't matter other than points (if you are close to Jap autovictory). Just find Curtis Lemay and give him a promotion.

Get some serious ground units to the Sundas and build up the bases on Timor for heavy bombers to wreck Balikpapan and Soerabja.

You can get US units to India with almost zero risk. You could perhaps hold Rangoon and he Andmans and even Northern Sumatra etc. etc. etc

Given the shortage of tankers, would it make sense for the Allied counterattack to focus on the DEI? If you capture one or two of the major fuel centers there, then your subsequent fuel shipping problems would be far less than before. Of course your opponent presumably knows this as well ...

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

The 183 liberty ships will be just as dearly missed.

You are truly a masochist for taking this on just so you can prove your point that it isn't a "game over" cheap shot.

Have fun fighting the rest of the war with 2/3s of the assets you should have.

Are the victory points sufficient to ensure an AV before your side can even gear up enough to fight back?

This is exactly the game that some of us live to fight! The challenge! [:)]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

The 183 liberty ships will be just as dearly missed.

You are truly a masochist for taking this on just so you can prove your point that it isn't a "game over" cheap shot.

Have fun fighting the rest of the war with 2/3s of the assets you should have.

Are the victory points sufficient to ensure an AV before your side can even gear up enough to fight back?

This is exactly the game that some of us live to fight! The challenge! [:)]

More power to ya Lowpe.


I really don't harbor any animosity toward anyone, I just have a completely different perspective than many other regulars here.

Maybe players like me would be more satisfied with things if more Japanese players wanted this kind of challenge instead of constantly seeking for easy mode victories.

Allied players have lost CVs, massive territory, and some shipping. But not to this degree.
It will be an unique challenge as most Allied player will see this AAR and remember to garrison their major industrial cities with a division of troops.

Right now keeping "Fortress Timor" supported and a possible reinforcement of the Aleutians is high on mu list for the next few months.


Note: I see all the air groups I got, but was there a separate amount of just airframes that come in?

ORIGINAL: ny59giants_MatrixForum

Allied players have lost CVs, massive territory, and some shipping. But not to this degree.
It will be an unique challenge as most Allied player will see this AAR and remember to garrison their major industrial cities with a division of troops.

Right now keeping "Fortress Timor" supported and a possible reinforcement of the Aleutians is high on mu list for the next few months.


Note: I see all the air groups I got, but was there a separate amount of just airframes that come in?

Just catching up here.

They've lost that much, just not so early. [:)]

It's CVEs remember, so not really critical. That said, I'd be more worried about their air groups (and are they listed as lost? Can you buy them back?). Those It's 1200+ airframes and (semi-)trained pilots you'll miss.

It is a challenge, but the allies have other ways of winning the war. I look forward to your plans. I think you'll need to play a lot of scrappy small-ball here. Fight in areas where you can island hop forever. Timor would be a good start. You've got to get a LOT more there though. Pile some of the Brit and Aussie troops on.

ORIGINAL: ny59giants_MatrixForum

Allied players have lost CVs, massive territory, and some shipping. But not to this degree.
It will be an unique challenge as most Allied player will see this AAR and remember to garrison their major industrial cities with a division of troops.

Right now keeping "Fortress Timor" supported and a possible reinforcement of the Aleutians is high on mu list for the next few months.


Note: I see all the air groups I got, but was there a separate amount of just airframes that come in?

Look at Salt Lake (see Bullwinkle's post page 1)

Invasion Mobilstn Supply Convoy arrives at Salt Lake City

That is some serious points to overcome for ships sunk.

ORIGINAL: ny59giants_MatrixForum

That is some serious points to overcome for ships sunk.

well, the good news is it seems the CVE air groups seem not to have been lost.

The point thingy is not really fair or realistic. Not one of those CVE's has even been started or perhaps even the designs been finished or the steel been shipped. There was a large existing shipyard at the start of the war and another Kaiser shipyard on the Willamette opened by early '42. What would really be lost is the infrastructure.


Interesting history of the Portland area shipyards in WWII

https://oregonencyclopedia.org/articles ... vTR02d0yUk

It seems they let you off easy on the TK losses. [:)]

In all, 2,711 Liberty ships were built from the nation’s shipyards between 1941 and 1945. Oregonship built 330 Liberty ships, along with 99 Victory ships and 33 Attack Transports. The Vancouver Shipyard’s output included 16 Liberty ships, 31 Victory ships, 49 escort carriers, 21 troop transport ships, and 30 LST landing ships. .