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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

In China, Chungking is burning. There is no reason not to destroy the industry here, since there are so many engineers in Chungking, that when it falls the industry is wiped out - might as well knock it down earlier than that.

Not my experience.

There aren't that many Chinese engineers, and the number of engineers honestly seems less important than the simple "is it damage or not" roll of the dice.

When I captured Chungking last, it was in the same shape as it was before the attack. There were over 100K Chinese there, so I'm sure the number of engineers was also quite high...

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

In China, Chungking is burning. There is no reason not to destroy the industry here, since there are so many engineers in Chungking, that when it falls the industry is wiped out - might as well knock it down earlier than that.

Not my experience.

There aren't that many Chinese engineers, and the number of engineers honestly seems less important than the simple "is it damage or not" roll of the dice.

When I captured Chungking last, it was in the same shape as it was before the attack. There were over 100K Chinese there, so I'm sure the number of engineers was also quite high...

LOL, [:D]. Every game I have played all the central China industry is 100% destroyed from ground attacks at capture.[:)]

Your not wrong, flip a coin I guess.[;)]

May 1942

Experimenting with Iboats used as intel gathering...and testing his ASW. Late war these boats would be in trouble with air and DE hunting them down and killing them.

I have no idea what a 70 skill recon trained Glen pilot can report back, but I want to use them in flights of 3 or 4. Day or night depending upon the anticipated threat level.

And an Iboat, part of a team of three working the San Francisco to Pearl route....I believe that is a Kittyhawk class ship...but with only one torpedo in her, she will be fine.

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

In China, Chungking is burning. There is no reason not to destroy the industry here, since there are so many engineers in Chungking, that when it falls the industry is wiped out - might as well knock it down earlier than that.

Not my experience.

There aren't that many Chinese engineers, and the number of engineers honestly seems less important than the simple "is it damage or not" roll of the dice.

When I captured Chungking last, it was in the same shape as it was before the attack. There were over 100K Chinese there, so I'm sure the number of engineers was also quite high...

LOL, [:D]. Every game I have played all the central China industry is 100% destroyed from ground attacks at capture.[:)]

Your not wrong, flip a coin I guess.[;)]

I've had both outcomes so random outcome is certainly strong. How much influenced by engrs I don't think we know … all we know is that they are one variable.

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

May 1942

Experimenting with Iboats used as intel gathering...and testing his ASW. Late war these boats would be in trouble with air and DE hunting them down and killing them.

I have no idea what a 70 skill recon trained Glen pilot can report back, but I want to use them in flights of 3 or 4. Day or night depending upon the anticipated threat level.

Interesting that there was no DL on Suva. Anyway, for me recon trained Glens get me good intel. I can generally get DL of 2 - 4 on a target with a single glen after a day or two if it can evade CAP. DL 1-2 if I have to recon at night only due to CAP.

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Not my experience.

There aren't that many Chinese engineers, and the number of engineers honestly seems less important than the simple "is it damage or not" roll of the dice.

When I captured Chungking last, it was in the same shape as it was before the attack. There were over 100K Chinese there, so I'm sure the number of engineers was also quite high...

LOL, [:D]. Every game I have played all the central China industry is 100% destroyed from ground attacks at capture.[:)]

Your not wrong, flip a coin I guess.[;)]

I've had both outcomes so random outcome is certainly strong. How much influenced by engrs I don't think we know … all we know is that they are one variable.

Big battles result in random destruction extremes, I've tested it some time ago, even posted in tech support. Base will be either 100% destroyed or completely intact, no inbetweens. And CK is one of the grandest battles out there

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

LOL, [:D]. Every game I have played all the central China industry is 100% destroyed from ground attacks at capture.[:)]

Your not wrong, flip a coin I guess.[;)]

I've had both outcomes so random outcome is certainly strong. How much influenced by engrs I don't think we know … all we know is that they are one variable.

Big battles result in random destruction extremes, I've tested it some time ago, even posted in tech support. Base will be either 100% destroyed or completely intact, no inbetweens. And CK is one of the grandest battles out there

I'm not convinced that engineers matter one whit. The manual says they do, but I've never seen any evidence of it while seeing a lot more evidence that it is merely an RNG-driven thing which results in total destruction or pristine condition far more often than anything in between.

I took Magwe in my most recent game in a straightforward deliberate attack the day after arriving against a battered base force which contained minimal engineers. Over 60% of the facilities were destroyed [:D] Lots of evidence about on the forum regarding varying extremes, so for me ends up being one of those things you cross your fingers about and just hope for the best I guess.

Lots of good tips for JFB's in here. Particularly on sub use for recon. I've been spreading my float equipped subs far and wide trying to find the Allies LOC (without much success). Focused recon on obvious targets seems a far better use of their time [:)]

I got 100% destroyed on Magwe's oil in the only time I had to capture it via attack. That was a pretty big blow.

Only issue with Glens for recon is that they are very vulnerable to CAP

Nothing more annoying than sailing across the ocean to have it shot down on its first flight!

The little Momi class destroyer blundered into a mine, limped back to a size 1 port where she met 3 AD.

Useless AD...so sorry I converted some.[;)]

ORIGINAL: Encircled

Only issue with Glens for recon is that they are very vulnerable to CAP

Nothing more annoying than sailing across the ocean to have it shot down on its first flight!

The whole point here is to gain information on potential kitchen sink invasions. If the flight generates that information, or rules out that base as a staging point, well then...pretty much worth it.

This is true, but you get a better idea from the base build up

I switched to using them as search aircraft outside the effective ASW/CAP range of his built up bases.

ORIGINAL: Encircled

This is true, but you get a better idea from the base build up

I switched to using them as search aircraft outside the effective ASW/CAP range of his built up bases.

By early 1943 all staging bases are 100 percent built up.

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

The little Momi class destroyer blundered into a mine, limped back to a size 1 port where she met 3 AD.

Useless AD...so sorry I converted some.[;)]

Yeah, I really like all the support ships (AD, AS, AV, AG, AGP, …) they all have their use. side repair, the ability to load torps is huge.

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Encircled

Only issue with Glens for recon is that they are very vulnerable to CAP

Nothing more annoying than sailing across the ocean to have it shot down on its first flight!

The whole point here is to gain information on potential kitchen sink invasions. If the flight generates that information, or rules out that base as a staging point, well then...pretty much worth it.

I take the same view … I hate losing that Glen on the first flight, but it does happen. But if it shows the base empty (or full), the intel is worth it. Particularly after 9/43 … face it, after that all of the IJ SS are just VP's to be harvested. Intel is about the only mission that they will not be auto harvested.

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Encircled

This is true, but you get a better idea from the base build up

I switched to using them as search aircraft outside the effective ASW/CAP range of his built up bases.

By early 1943 all staging bases are 100 percent built up.

If not earlier. ... they don't really need that many do they? [:(]

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Encircled

This is true, but you get a better idea from the base build up

I switched to using them as search aircraft outside the effective ASW/CAP range of his built up bases.

By early 1943 all staging bases are 100 percent built up.

If not earlier. ... they don't really need that many do they? [:(]

There just aren't that many! Unfortunately, buildups can't pinpoint targets, but at least give you a front to work on.

Mid May 42

I have got 2 BB, 4 CA one CVL and a bunch of destroyers 8 hexes due west of Tabby undetected.

Not happy with my search at all, supplies still heading to Nauru and unloading at Makin.

My basic thought is to establish really good naval search using floats, patrols and Iboats. Grab a dot base or three, and pound Tabby with round the clock naval bombardments that are being rearmed from the adjacent dot bases with AKE.

Hold the heavy ships back and CVs.

Tabby is a level 1 runway now...

The Navy is contemplating pulling back their SAG and CVE force until better search is present. No point in blundering into an ambush...