How to ruin the game?

[stjeand]

Well Silly is an allied only player.
I have played both sides.

You do not move all your UK forces that is for sure. Normally I have the following:

2 armor, 1 mech, 5 to 6 inf corps in France.
Airforce on the coast of the UK to help if needed.

Africa has 3 to 4 corps...2 will be small, maybe 3 as you have to take Syria quickly as you know...

UK has a handful of 2 or 3 corps and divisions all over every port.

Then along with the 50% exp French you snipe damaged German Corps.

Not sure if much can happen in Africa. When one my corps gets crippled and won't be able to fight again it heads to the UK or Africa.

BOA is a different story. I always lose there no matter what I do unless as the Axis I get out the German and Italian fleets...then a different story for a little while. But that is nearly impossible if you have a good Allied player.

[ComadrejaKorp]

My plan as an Ally:

Uk helps France a little with: 3 tanks / 2 mechanized / 4 Corps / 1 HQ

In Uk only divisions in each port (but empty those that are out of reach for Axis)

In Africa 6 Corps and 2 divisions

France builds 1 tank and infantry

[stjeand]

Comadre and myself can do the same battle we did the last time to see what the Axis / Allies are able to do.

I have no problem doing that and will happily AAR the whole thing.

And will gladly take any input you may have to try to "break" the process or try crazy things to get around it...

[ComadrejaKorp]

Comadre and myself can do the same battle we did the last time to see what the Axis / Allies are able to do.

I have no problem doing that and will happily AAR the whole thing.

And will gladly take any input you may have to try to "break" the process or try crazy things to get around it...

Sure it will be fun, but surely short like last time (:

[ncc1701e]

ORIGINAL: ComadrejaKorp

My plan as an Ally:

Uk helps France a little with: 3 tanks / 2 mechanized / 4 Corps / 1 HQ

In Uk only divisions in each port (but empty those that are out of reach for Axis)

In Africa 6 Corps and 2 divisions

France builds 1 tank and infantry

I have a new idea. I will go for a Barbarossa 1940. Perhaps I will have more luck. [:D]

[ncc1701e]

ORIGINAL: ComadrejaKorp

Comadre and myself can do the same battle we did the last time to see what the Axis / Allies are able to do.

I have no problem doing that and will happily AAR the whole thing.

And will gladly take any input you may have to try to "break" the process or try crazy things to get around it...

Sure it will be fun, but surely short like last time (:

Thanks guys, please do an AAR.

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

ORIGINAL: ComadrejaKorp

My plan as an Ally:

Uk helps France a little with: 3 tanks / 2 mechanized / 4 Corps / 1 HQ

In Uk only divisions in each port (but empty those that are out of reach for Axis)

In Africa 6 Corps and 2 divisions

France builds 1 tank and infantry

I have a new idea. I will go for a Barbarossa 1940. Perhaps I will have more luck. [:D]

I'll play allies if you like [:D]

[ncc1701e]

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

ORIGINAL: ComadrejaKorp

My plan as an Ally:

Uk helps France a little with: 3 tanks / 2 mechanized / 4 Corps / 1 HQ

In Uk only divisions in each port (but empty those that are out of reach for Axis)

In Africa 6 Corps and 2 divisions

France builds 1 tank and infantry

I have a new idea. I will go for a Barbarossa 1940. Perhaps I will have more luck. [:D]

I'll play allies if you like [:D]

Thanks but no, I will stop playing new Axis games in PBEM, finishing the current ones of course, and do a little pause by playing hotseat/AI. I am doing my current AAR for ComadrejaKorp and others to criticize what I am doing.

I don't find the solution to win in France. But, honestly, thanks a lot ComadrejaKorp for learning me all these new tactics:
. Infinite naval bombardment from ships in port to counter attack from Calais or from Dunkerque
. Carrier based planes bombarding panzer corps to reduce their efficiency with success
. Fleet sacrificing itself to force ground and tactical air planes to intercept
. Deadly counter attack with infantry only or infantry plus armor shattering panzer corps.

You have really master the game.

I am now a deadly Allies player as well but I feel sad for my current Axis opponent. I have already shattered him three panzer corps. The last one I can see in front of me is at 6-10. He is no where near Paris, Rouen, Metz and we are turn 24 meaning July 19th, 1940. He has three turns to finish me but I think this is impossible.

[ncc1701e]

ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

I am now a deadly Allies player as well but I feel sad for my current Axis opponent. I have already shattered him three panzer corps. The last one I can see in front of me is at 6-10. He is no where near Paris, Rouen, Metz and we are turn 24 meaning July 19th, 1940. He has three turns to finish me but I think this is impossible.

Well my Axis opponent has just resigned our game. I hope he is not too upset and will retry playing.

[scout1]

This issue that has been highlighted may or may not a "game issue" ...... Question is whether this is a "game" issue or merely a tactic which if attempted historically could have changed the course of events ....

[scout1]

ORIGINAL: scout1

This issue that has been highlighted may or may not a "game issue" ...... Question is whether this is a "game" issue or merely a tactic which if attempted historically could have changed the course of events ....

Though in fairness, not much fun once the axis units are basically toast even IF they take France .... which I did not

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: scout1

This issue that has been highlighted may or may not a "game issue" ...... Question is whether this is a "game" issue or merely a tactic which if attempted historically could have changed the course of events ....

If Germans can't take France without being emasculated, it's a game issue. Whether or not it would work in an alt history world, that's a separate issue for another thread

[MorningDew]

I do not believe that the British had the ability to field the forces as outlined above in 1940. I've recently re-read Churchills series. I don't think this was feasible:

Uk helps France a little with: 3 tanks / 2 mechanized / 4 Corps / 1 HQ
In Uk only divisions in each port (but empty those that are out of reach for Axis)
In Africa 6 Corps and 2 divisions

[stjeand]

ORIGINAL: MorningDew

I do not believe that the British had the ability to field the forces as outlined above in 1940. I've recently re-read Churchills series. I don't think this was feasible:

Uk helps France a little with: 3 tanks / 2 mechanized / 4 Corps / 1 HQ
In Uk only divisions in each port (but empty those that are out of reach for Axis)
In Africa 6 Corps and 2 divisions

In Uk only divisions in each port (but empty those that are out of reach for Axis)

Agreed. That is the issue we are outlining.

The UK actually sent just 11 infantry divisions over to France. 1 armor brigade and 500 or so aircraft.

[MorningDew]

And my point is that they only sent that many to France because they were struggling to field a larger army in 1940. They had to ensure home defense and worry about Egypt. The ability to field that much that early is not historical.

[ComadrejaKorp]

And my point is that they only sent that many to France because they were struggling to field a larger army in 1940. They had to ensure home defense and worry about Egypt. The ability to field that much that early is not historical.

Correct, we have agreed to send 11 UK divisions (infantry) to France, the result will be that in the Middle East in August 1940 Allies will have a force of 3 tanks / 2 mechanized / 7 full force Corps.
What is your opinion on this ? It also seems exaggerated, doesn't it?
The next step would be to limit forces that can be sent to the Middle East, and the end result would be that the SeaLion option would disappear because UK will be full of troops.

I only expose a possible problem.

[ncc1701e]

So what? Limit the number of PP for UK at start? With Patrol Grp costing 330 PP, it is sure this is better to buy a tank at 360 PP...

And, if you want to increase the cost of tanks, it means Germany is also penalized.

I am sure there is another solution.

[Jeff_Ahl]

ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

ORIGINAL: ComadrejaKorp

Limit the number of labs for UK and for France? In 1940,

Sounds like a really cool idea to me! And a more real solution than mine, Uk can help France as much as he wants but pay a high price!

Thanks my idea like this is for the UK player to choose between naval, air or land technology but not all like today.
They want Heavy Armor 1940 and Interceptor 1941 for doing a good France 1940, fine but they won't have Convoy Escort or Detection & Electronics right away.

And for France, limit them as well to barely max out only one technology. Anti-Tank 1940 fine but no Interceptor 1940.

Just an idea.

+1

[Jeff_Ahl]

UK always field unhistorical huge army. They had severe manpower issues, conscription came to late but in this game you can spit out corps in a manner that would never been possible. Limit the manpower for UK and Canada.

[ncc1701e]

ORIGINAL: Jeff_Ahl

Limit the manpower for UK and Canada.

The last time I suggested this, everyone was against me. [:D]
https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4952399