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ORIGINAL: Ian R

Whenever there is a complaint that something or some capability is "unhistorical" or "ahistorical" around here, it only ever seems to be about the United Nations side.

Nonsense. With all due respect, but I believe your strong pro-Allied bias has left you blind on one eye. Über-Netties, Über-Zeros, overavailability of air-launched torpedoes, too much idle merchant shipping, insane Japanese R&D advancements, ridiculously high airframe production figures, the magic highway, China Blitzkrieg - just to name the most blatant examples - have all been complained about on the forum as being unhistorical or ahistorical - and justly so.

Fact is - both sides get their share of unhistorical capabilities, and both JFBs and AFBs have been complaining bitterly about the other side's advantages in the past - while often ignoring or belitteling the advantages given to their side.

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget


Fact is - both sides get their share of unhistorical capabilities, and both JFBs and AFBs have been complaining bitterly about the other side's advantages in the past - while often ignoring or belitteling the advantages given to their side.

About the only thing I complain about is some tough game mechanics that can be abused by either side....mass 1 ship task forces designed to eat op points for example.

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

ORIGINAL: Ian R

Whenever there is a complaint that something or some capability is "unhistorical" or "ahistorical" around here, it only ever seems to be about the United Nations side.

Nonsense. With all due respect, but I believe your strong pro-Allied bias has left you blind on one eye. Über-Netties, Über-Zeros, overavailability of air-launched torpedoes, too much idle merchant shipping, insane Japanese R&D advancements, ridiculously high airframe production figures, the magic highway, China Blitzkrieg - just to name the most blatant examples - have all been complained about on the forum as being unhistorical or ahistorical - and justly so.

Fact is - both sides get their share of unhistorical capabilities, and both JFBs and AFBs have been complaining bitterly about the other side's advantages in the past - while often ignoring or belitteling the advantages given to their side.

So now it starts.

It's clear you misunderstood his comment.

Unlike you, I clearly understood it to mean the only complaints that are ever accepted as valid.
Your response proves his point.
Thank you for being gullible enough to take the bait.

Since the Japanese ahistorical abilities were auspiciously added to make the poor, weak, underpowered Japanese side viable to play as a side in a game, any and all complaints by AFBs get disregarded and excused away.
Followed by multiple references by JFBs that the Allies will always be powerful enough to overrun Japan in '44 so all of the early Japanese advantages are moot.
If only every game made it to '44 they might actually have a valid argument. Too bad they, and you don't.

Kindly keep your holier than thou indignation to yourself.

I expected that at least one of the resident AFB ultras would come charging in - and as predicted, not a single word of recognition about the advantages given to the Allies, just one-sided hateful JFB bashing.

I'm not a native speaker, but in my English lessons I have learned that "Whenever" means "always, everytime, all the time, under any circumstances" - therefore I do not see any qualifier in Ian's sentence that could be interpreted as a restriction "to mean the only complaints that are ever accepted as valid".

But what do I know, as you made it clear, I'm just a dumb JFB and you have superior knowledge.

Kindly keep your arrogance to yourself.

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

ORIGINAL: Ian R

Whenever there is a complaint that something or some capability is "unhistorical" or "ahistorical" around here, it only ever seems to be about the United Nations side.

Nonsense. With all due respect, but I believe your strong pro-Allied bias has left you blind on one eye. Über-Netties, Über-Zeros, overavailability of air-launched torpedoes, too much idle merchant shipping, insane Japanese R&D advancements, ridiculously high airframe production figures, the magic highway, China Blitzkrieg - just to name the most blatant examples - have all been complained about on the forum as being unhistorical or ahistorical - and justly so.

Fact is - both sides get their share of unhistorical capabilities, and both JFBs and AFBs have been complaining bitterly about the other side's advantages in the past - while often ignoring or belitteling the advantages given to their side.

I'm happy to admit to being pro UN.

What can be annoying, is seeing complaints based on 'truisms' that 15 minutes of research on the internet would debunk.

Please be polite to each side.

Each side had "gifts" otherwise the game would not be as much fun nor as challenging.

Remember, as the IJ player, you get to force the Army and Navy to work together while also making best use of all available assets - even if the Japanese did not.

As the Allied player, you don't have to worry about the political ramifications of your moves. Think that China really had a unified government with one leader able to coordinate everything? [:-] How about more Americans in the SEAC theatre than in actuality?[:)]

Both sides can look at the database and see what the other side has and its capabilities. You get to see the upgrades plus the downgrades to each side and you can even forgo some of them if you want to. You can load the game and look at what the other side gets and when although the IJ player can manipulate the airplane production but at a cost, the same with weapons and vehicles. If the IJ player does not expend the supplies on research, he will still get the aircraft if he is still playing the game. The Allies should know the problems and bottlenecks of the IJ economy plus the problems with things such as the Mark 14 torpedo and play accordingly.

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

I expected that at least one of the resident AFB ultras would come charging in - and as predicted, not a single word of recognition about the advantages given to the Allies, just one-sided hateful JFB bashing.

I'm not a native speaker, but in my English lessons I have learned that "Whenever" means "always, everytime, all the time, under any circumstances" - therefore I do not see any qualifier in Ian's sentence that could be interpreted as a restriction "to mean the only complaints that are ever accepted as valid".

But what do I know, as you made it clear, I'm just a dumb JFB and you have superior knowledge.

Kindly keep your arrogance to yourself.

To me, I understand "Whenever" to mean "When/if it does happen" so it is more like a "If Then" in programming. It is not always but only at certain times.

Both of you have superior knowledge based upon your perspectives, so have a good bier and relax - it is only a game for enjoyment and not a simulation as work.

Cool so many posts in my thread... just wanna clarify:

I meant the 1st or 2nd assault/opposed landing at a build up enemy base w/ forts and many guns etc (like in my example Shortland is), not a 3rd or 4th wave bringing in supplies, replacements etc. Possibly by then most of the guns that can reach out, are already cleared by the troops landed in the first assault(s)-

I even would not have posted if it was a small base w/ eg. forts 2 and only 2-3 small inf. units without art and CD etc. Then it can be realistic ex luxury liners being used as not much resistance at the shore..

But in the RL , the luxury liners would be great for cover-up. Imagine some Marines being loaded onto one, being told they go to Australia, to be billeted at Roy's Naumur hotel and they end up storming Roi-Namur instead.

I above case more ex-Liberty cargo ships [;)] Anyone has data how many could and were converted in real war?

(X)

Btw. got a turn and add insult to injury my subs could not even hit the wounded ships that even hit by so many CD gun shells, still were unloading it seems in the night phase.

In daylight everyone was gone, I hope at least 3-4 of the xAPs went down (have only 1 listed as sunk [:(]) not that it would hurt the Allies much...

And 2 subs lost right away 2 more big damage [:@]

(X): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_ship

In the Wiki is a section about the converted ships were quite a lot ("about 225"!): "While most of the Liberties converted were intended to carry no more than 550 troops, thirty-three were converted to transport 1,600 on shorter voyages from mainland U.S. ports to Alaska, Hawaii and the Caribbean.[28]"

How about we all just get along? [:-][8D]

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

How about we all just get along? [:-][8D]

I think that most of us will agree on somethings.

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

How about we all just get along? [:-][8D]

I think that most of us will agree on somethings.

Beer? What beer?!

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: Sardaukar

How about we all just get along? [:-][8D]

I think that most of us will agree on somethings.

Beer? What beer?!

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe




I think that most of us will agree on somethings.

Beer? What beer?!

His favorite. RIP harry. [:(]

Agree with the beer swilling young ladies. As to the cranky old guys - grab a beer......

Speaking of beer I almost lost my Dad's boat once. We anchored off an island (there were no slips open), Georges Island for those of of you of Massachusetts background. We swim in and muck about for a couple of hours - go back to where we left the boat - no boat. She had pulled the anchor and floated over to the next island. So 18 YO walks up to the kind Coasties and asks for a lift. They say yes even though we must have all smelt like a brewery. They take us to the boat and the damn engine won't turn over. I start to get some questionable stares from the Coasties but the engine finally turned over. I have been lucky in life. I don't think I was technically drunk but I was 18 in a 21 YO drinking age state.

Speaking of beer stories....some of you may have seen that I Spent a semester abroad 'a few years ago'. Our flight back to the Northeast could not make it direct so we stopped in Vancouver to fuel up. Only about an hour so we did not deplane. Of course it was Delta so we had to go to Atlanta. On the way to Boston I decide to order my first 'legal' beer. Lovely middle aged woman across the aisle decides to open the overhead above me. Her luggage ends up in my beer and lap. No apologies, no offer to replace my now worn beer, but I will always remember that first sip.

ORIGINAL: fcooke

Speaking of beer stories....some of you may have seen that I Spent a semester abroad 'a few years ago'. Our flight back to the Northeast could not make it direct so we stopped in Vancouver to fuel up. Only about an hour so we did not deplane. Of course it was Delta so we had to go to Atlanta. On the way to Boston I decide to order my first 'legal' beer. Lovely middle aged woman across the aisle decides to open the overhead above me. Her luggage ends up in my beer and lap. No apologies, no offer to replace my now worn beer, but I will always remember that first sip.

So she wet your pants. [;)]

indeed - not the way I was hoping for.










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