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Charles_22 wrote:Thanks, that works, but I've never had to do it that way before, just a standard ol' F5 always seemed to work.

Go to any framed website, hit F5 or click refresh and you´ll notice that the whole page get´s refreshed, that´s in the nature of frames.

Marc Schwanebeck wrote:Go to any framed website, hit F5 or click refresh and you´ll notice that the whole page get´s refreshed, that´s in the nature of frames.

Yeah.....but that's NOT what it's doing, or I wouldn't have mentioned it. Go to a forum before you've selected a thread. What I'm trying to do is see if any of the threads have a new response, so instead of backing out and getting back in I use F5, and it SHOULD stay on that screen and show me anything new (like dates for example, or a new thread at the top), but instead it knocks me completely out of that screen and back to the home page. This is not normal! The worst this thing should do is not update the screen because maybe I haven't touched the right bit, but usually you're in the right bit if you hit refresh right after you moved into that screen from another, but obviously it recognises what I'm doing only it's behaving more like a "home" function. IOW, in that screen, the F5 key goes 'home' NOT updating the screen. It does the same thing on this W2000 as it does on my XP at home. I've never used a refresh anywhere and that function send me to the home page. This problem is tiotally new to this website,since the changeover that is. Understand?

Charles_22 wrote:Yeah.....but that's NOT what it's doing, or I wouldn't have mentioned it. Go to a forum before you've selected a thread. What I'm trying to do is see if any of the threads have a new response, so instead of backing out and getting back in I use F5, and it SHOULD stay on that screen and show me anything new (like dates for example, or a new thread at the top), but instead it knocks me completely out of that screen and back to the home page. This is not normal! The worst this thing should do is not update the screen because maybe I haven't touched the right bit, but usually you're in the right bit if you hit refresh right after you moved into that screen from another, but obviously it recognises what I'm doing only it's behaving more like a "home" function. IOW, in that screen, the F5 key goes 'home' NOT updating the screen. It does the same thing on this W2000 as it does on my XP at home. I've never used a refresh anywhere and that function send me to the home page. This problem is tiotally new to this website,since the changeover that is. Understand?

That's right, F5 won't work without kicking you back to the main forum.

However, in the forum window, right-klick and select "refresh". That will reload the thread only, at least it works for me.

Charles_22 wrote:This problem is tiotally new to this website,since the changeover that is. Understand?

No it´s not, it´s the very basics of "frames" since their invention. Maybe I havn´t been clear enough in the earlier reply. When you go to a website that uses frames (like the forums do, or our main website) the standard active frame is the frameset telling the browser of which frames the website consist. If you now just click F5 then the active frame is refreshed (by default the frameset). Now if you mark an specific frame active and click refresh then that very active frame is refreshed. You can only activate another frame by right clicking into it. That´s how browsers work, they simply (sad as it is) don´t track where your mouse is and make that the "active" area.

F5 or the browsers "Refresh" button on the navigation bar are only basic refresh tools, that only refresh the top level of a website, in our case the Frameset.

Understand?

Marc, the problem for people here is that there is absolutely no way you can select the thread as an active frame. With some frames, you can make a selected frame active by klicking in it. That doesn't work for the forums.

So: right-klick and select "refresh" is the only way to do it.

Belisarius wrote:Marc, the problem for people here is that there is absolutely no way you can select the thread as an active frame. With some frames, you can make a selected frame active by klicking in it. That doesn't work for the forums.

So: right-klick and select "refresh" is the only way to do it.

That´s what I´m saying since days.

Belisarius wrote:That's right, F5 won't work without kicking you back to the main forum.

However, in the forum window, right-klick and select "refresh". That will reload the thread only, at least it works for me.

Yes, I did try that earlier, and it did work, but if someone knows how to fix the F5 not working it should be fixed. It's far too common an approach to refreshing to be left as-is.

Marc Schwanebeck wrote:No it´s not, it´s the very basics of "frames" since their invention. Maybe I havn´t been clear enough in the earlier reply. When you go to a website that uses frames (like the forums do, or our main website) the standard active frame is the frameset telling the browser of which frames the website consist. If you now just click F5 then the active frame is refreshed (by default the frameset). Now if you mark an specific frame active and click refresh then that very active frame is refreshed. You can only activate another frame by right clicking into it. That´s how browsers work, they simply (sad as it is) don´t track where your mouse is and make that the "active" area.

F5 or the browsers "Refresh" button on the navigation bar are only basic refresh tools, that only refresh the top level of a website, in our case the Frameset.

Understand?

Comprende compadre. The only problem,,, well try it yourself. Go to the main page, click forums, logon, then hit F5 on the next screen. IOW, at that portion it should refresh at least the majority of the page, should it not? It certainly shouldn't be sending you three screens backwards. Are you saying that having frames, which I don't totally understand, changes everything drastically, at least as far as F5 goes? The vast majority of pages I go to, including the former one here, didn't knock you to the home page, even if I was doing it, what you might say, incorrectly, it would simply 'not update' what I was expecting to update, which of course would prompt me to select a specific area instead. I must say I didn't know there was any difference between using an F5, a pull down refresh, or an RMB refresh but I can see your point. So if there's anything wrong at this point, maybe it's just that I don't understand frames, but it seems that an F5 however so incorrectly used shouldn't result in what it is doing.

where the hell do i right click????????????nothing i do has refresh as a choice

junk2drive wrote:where the hell do i right click????????????nothing i do has refresh as a choice

At the top of your internet browser (not the Matrix window) there should be a toolbar button that says "REFRESH". If it's not there then go to the "View" menu button and there should be a "refresh" command there. I'm assuming you are using some form of Windows?

junk2drive wrote:where the hell do i right click????????????nothing i do has refresh as a choice

You simply right click somwhere on the forums frame, there where the threads are. Then you click on the menu that comes up:

Internet Explorer: Refresh

Netscape or Mozilla: This frame -> Reload Frame

Dave Briggs wrote:At the top of your internet browser (not the Matrix window) there should be a toolbar button that says "REFRESH". If it's not there then go to the "View" menu button and there should be a "refresh" command there. I'm assuming you are using some form of Windows?

That is the "refresh" that won't work, since it'll reload the main frame = the main forum.

Read Marcs' reply - right-klick ANYWHERE in the forum thread, choose "refresh".

Come on people, let's get our refreshes straight . You see how the more typical F5 refresh, kicking back to home, causes problems? At least the function should have a null affect. Perhaps it just can't be fixed that way? Having a button that knocks you three screens back, something many of us use very commonly elsewhere, can be a bit anger-inducing. You have to hammer a drill bit into your head often enough to get yourself to remember that hitting F5 is the blow of death. And as if that isn't bad enough, IE doesn't pick up on the fact that you were ever at that screen. IOW, you cannot just hit the forward arrow key to get back into that screen, you have to hit the right buttons on every single screen again.

In the "for what its worth" department, my 'other' employer - a major defense contractor - has issues a statement today that it is working on figuring out the reason for mysterious delays and inaccessability to many of its internet hosted database apps.

There appears to be something going going on with the net that is affecting more than just our little forum.

There appears to be something going going on with the net that is affecting more than just our little forum.

The latest "Symatec Security Response" sounds pretty concerned. The latest two worms have wreaked havoc at some places, even if MS claimed that is didn´t hurt them

Charles_22 wrote:Come on people, let's get our refreshes straight . You see how the more typical F5 refresh, kicking back to home, causes problems? At least the function should have a null affect. Perhaps it just can't be fixed that way? Having a button that knocks you three screens back, something many of us use very commonly elsewhere, can be a bit anger-inducing. You have to hammer a drill bit into your head often enough to get yourself to remember that hitting F5 is the blow of death. And as if that isn't bad enough, IE doesn't pick up on the fact that you were ever at that screen. IOW, you cannot just hit the forward arrow key to get back into that screen, you have to hit the right buttons on every single screen again.

The browsers have some very powerful tools, you just need to figure out how to use them. The F5 key is working as it should, just not the way you wish.

In the "for what its worth" department, my 'other' employer - a major defense contractor - has issues a statement today that it is working on figuring out the reason for mysterious delays and inaccessability to many of its internet hosted database apps.

There appears to be something going on with the net that is affecting more than just our little forum.

I posted that last week and that was the post that disapeared.

The net is slow because of So Big and the two major worms.