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Old_Shane wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2026 4:53 pm That's a good point Harry. And as I remember I was waiting for Yugo to coup to avoid DofW. But saving that mobilisation hit was rather lost in the time it took to take Yugo. Big mistake. Won't make it again Clive!

I gambled that Clive was not prepared for an amphibious invasion of Japan. I was wrong. My hope was to delay his landward progress so that he could not meet the victory conditions and that he was not prepared to take Japan. Excellent game Clive and I think we both learned a lot.

Thanks to everyone that provided input to Clive's AAR. It was a lot of work for him and we both benefited from the input. I appreciate this gaming community for the maturity it shows to help each other gain a deeper understanding of the game and to learn from each other.

Old_Shane wrote: Wed Jun 10, 2026 12:27 pm Oh no! Sorry Clive. I may have been a spoiler!

petedalby wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 9:17 pm Presumably Japan still holds Delhi & Chungking? If so, an Allied Victory can not be achieved.

Your pictures suggest that the Allies hold Berlin, Tokyo & Rome. If that is the case, yes, I agree, looks like a Stalemate to me.

BillRunacre wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2026 12:13 pm I've found it: Seoul is also a location that if it remains in Axis hands, grants them a Tactical Victory.

LoneRunner wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2026 12:37 pm Excellent AAR wevilc. And, wow, great campaign. I've never seen the Japanese Empire so strong. You and Shane both deserve a win.

So, if I understand correctly, the victory conditions in the Strategy Guide are incorrect. The Axis wins a tactical victory if either Berlin, Rome, Tokyo, or Seoul have not fallen. Hmm...what about Osaka? Perhaps the victory conditions should be based on surrender not cities. If Germany, Italy, and Japan have not surrendered then the Axis wins a tactical victory.

Taifun wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2026 10:29 am Japan still holds Delhi and Chungking, so I think this should be considered a draw. It's very rare to see a game end in a stalemate!

Thanks for the AAR. I think you could have attacked the Japanese positions in China and Korea with the Soviets much earlier. Germany was already finished by that point, so keeping such a large Soviet force in Europe may have been overkill. It might have shortened the war in Asia considerably.

wevilc wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 8:38 pm

BillRunacre wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2026 12:13 pm I've found it: Seoul is also a location that if it remains in Axis hands, grants them a Tactical Victory.

Please tell us where you found it.

BillRunacre wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2026 8:09 pm

wevilc wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 8:38 pm

BillRunacre wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2026 12:13 pm I've found it: Seoul is also a location that if it remains in Axis hands, grants them a Tactical Victory.

Please tell us where you found it.

In the victory scripts.

wevilc wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2026 2:59 am

BillRunacre wrote: Sun Jun 14, 2026 8:09 pm

wevilc wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 8:38 pm

Please tell us where you found it.

In the victory scripts.

Thanks Bill.

When I said above I would & could have taken Seoul had I known, I forgot Shane would & could have devoted more resources to its defence. Anyway, what happens next? Will the scripts be amended or the VCS in the strategy guide?

A funny thought occurs to me. It took exactly this run out to identify the discrepancy. Had I taken Seoul but not Tokyo, for instance, the issue would have remained latent, maybe for thousands of years. Shane & I having contributed to the sum of human knowledge, do we not deserve a statue or at least a medal?

petedalby wrote: Mon Jun 15, 2026 12:00 pm Well done!!

IMO this should still be regarded as a draw.