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I should also note that one of the truly great films, The Sand Pebbles, starring Steve McQueen (in one of his best performances) is being re-released on DVD in May:

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Von Rom, thanks to your recommendation, I got a copy of this from the local library. I wasn't aware that this film was nominated for 9 Academy Awards in 1966. It was beaten out for "Best Picture" by "A Man For All Seasons".

I hope you enjoy it.

I think some films can become very personal. There may be certain movies or characters that the viewer can identify with.

Personally, I still think Mutiny on the Bounty is a better film than Master and Commander. It is a timeless film that I have watched many times. It is the type of film that Hollywood seems to have real problems trying to make these days. . .


For those who haven't seen The Sand Pebbles, here is a review of it:

Steve McQueen was known for many things-- action films, fast cars, motorcycles, a charismatic presence (on screen and off), and his true "tough guy" persona. But with this film, another description moves to the top of that list: Actor. Anyone who doubts what a great actor McQueen was need only watch this film, because his performance here as Jake Holman is simply as good as it gets. "The Sand Pebbles, " directed by Robert Wise, is the story of Holman, a sailor assigned to the U.S. Gunboat, "San Pablo," stationed on the Yangtze River in China in 1926 (the sailors aboard are known as "sand pebbles"). It's primary function is to patrol the river and thereby establish an American presence in China, a country currently experiencing a period of political unrest and impending upheaval. It's a new assignment for Holman, and it suits him just fine; his job is to keep the ship's engines up and running, and because of the size of the ship, he's the only engineer-- it's just Jake and his engine. And that's the way he likes it. Holman is a loner by nature, and something of an iconoclast. At one point, when he is asked his opinion of American Foreign Policy and their presence in China, he simply says, "I don't mess with it. It's all look-see-pidgin, somethin' for the officers."

Eventually, however, Holman is nevertheless drawn into the conflict through a series of events that impact him beyond all personal resistance, the most significant being when American lives are threatened throughout China, and Holman and a landing party are sent ashore to protect and escort some missionaries back to the safety of the San Pablo. But at the mission, Holman discovers a way of life, the likes of which he's never known, and for the first time ever, he realizes a sense of belonging. And he likes it. For Holman, however, it may be too late; the political turmoil throughout the country has put the lives of everyone at the mission in peril, including a young missionary named Shirley Eckert (Candice Bergen), with whom Holman has made a connection he simply cannot dispel; for in Shirley, he discerns an innocence and a goodness that compels him, and in which he finds a welcome sense of fulfillment. So what began as a routine mission becomes a salient point in Holman's life, and he is faced with the most important decision he's ever had to make.

This is the one for which McQueen should have won an Oscar. As Holman, he demonstrates an emotional range and depth that runs the gamut from almost boyish naivete to a world weary veteran of life who has seen and heard it all. Utterly convincing, he can say more with a slight incline of his head, a slow blink or shifting of his eyes than most actors could say with reams of dialogue at their disposal. He communicates with so much more than words, and there's meaning in everything he says and does-- he never wastes a line or a single moment. What he does with this role is magnificent; it's the definitive McQueen performance. His Holman is the personification of the loner, and in creating him he delivers something few actors could ever equal: He's tough, convincing and charming-- all at the same time. And he should've taken home The Statue for it.

As Collins, the Captain of the San Pablo, Richard Crenna gives one of his finest performances, as well, and it cemented his transition from television actor to a career on the big screen. After this, there was no going back. His portrayal of the somber, introspective Captain is riveting, and in him you readily perceive Collins' sense of duty and honor, as well as his overwhelming sense of futility and failure. And the urgency with which he grasps his chance for redemption, even in the face of insurmountable odds, is entirely believable as it is consistent with the character he has created.

The superlative supporting cast includes Richard Attenborough (Frenchy), Emmanuelle Arsan (Maily), Mako (Po-han), Larry Gates (Jameson), Charles Robinson (Bordelles), Simon Oakland (Stawski), Ford Rainey (Harris), Joe Turkel (Bronson) and Gavin MacLeod (Crosley). A powerful drama, extremely well crafted and presented by Wise, "The Sand Pebbles" is a great and memorable film that will forever stand as the pinnacle of McQueen's successful career. Jake Holman is a character you will never forget, because there is something of him-- that wistful longing to belong, perhaps-- in all of us. A timeless classic among classics, this is one of the greatest motion pictures of all time, and is by definition, the magic of the movies.

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Speaking of films.

I think someone like Mel Gibson could do real justice to making a war film about the Battle of Iwo Jima (he could direct it and star in it).

I'd also like to see more films basd on the "quest". Perhaps re-making "Ulysses" and "Jason and the Argonauts", and perhaps a film about an 18th Century ship circumnavigating the globe. . .
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I think Mel was excellent in We Were Soldiers, but I am unsure how he would be in war movies as a whole.

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I think Mel was excellent in We Were Soldiers, but I am unsure how he would be in war movies as a whole.

It's not easy to take one success, and assume it is the rule.

You're right, it's really hard to say.

Although I do enjoy most of his films such as We were Soldiers, Braveheart, etc. . .

Gibson is currently filming a movie about Alexander the Great, and should be out this fall - it will be 9 hours in length. . .
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9 hours...ouch, my aching butt heheh.

I wonder how much his much publicly argued over Passion film is going to impact his career in the next few years.

I haven't seen it, and don't plan to. Christ's life doesn't interest me. So it's not material if it was any good.
But it suuuuuuuure stirred things up a lot.
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Hold it. An observation I got from watching "The Sand Pebbles" has relevance to today. We relied on half-trained coolies to do the dirty and dangerous work, and on the boat it resulted in a killed worker. Now, are we doing the same thing in Iraq, letting half-trained police and security forces do the jobs that professional American troops should be doing because of political necessities? I apologize for injecting this, but this point sticks out like an old shrapnel wound which was never healed but periodically reinfects.

I know now why "The Sand Pebbles" didn't win an Oscar. It raised questions on American foreign policy in the 1920s that didn't bear drawing attention to, especially considering that this was done in the middle of our escalation in the Vietnam War. Please forgive me if I read too much into this, as I'm probably falling into the trap of 20/20 hindsight. Still, now that I'm seeing the movie, I believe it was timely and relevant for the period it was filmed in.
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Hold it. An observation I got from watching "The Sand Pebbles" has relevance to today. We relied on half-trained coolies to do the dirty and dangerous work, and on the boat it resulted in a killed worker. Now, are we doing the same thing in Iraq, letting half-trained police and security forces do the jobs that professional American troops should be doing because of political necessities? I apologize for injecting this, but this point sticks out like an old shrapnel wound which was never healed but periodically reinfects.

I know now why "The Sand Pebbles" didn't win an Oscar. It raised questions on American foreign policy in the 1920s that didn't bear drawing attention to, especially considering that this was done in the middle of our escalation in the Vietnam War. Please forgive me if I read too much into this, as I'm probably falling into the trap of 20/20 hindsight. Still, now that I'm seeing the movie, I believe it was timely and relevant for the period it was filmed in.


KG Erwin:

Great observation [:)]

You're not reading too much into the movie at all. In fact, there are many meanings that have been skillfully interwoven throughout The Sand Pebbles like layers of an onion. The more layers you find and peel away, the more layers you'll find underneath.

Everything has been placed in that movie for a reason, including some of the names of people.

You could watch that movie many times, and you'll soon see other layers become apparent to you. That is the sign of great movie-making; a movie that makes you think. . .
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9 hours...ouch, my aching butt heheh.

I wonder how much his much publicly argued over Passion film is going to impact his career in the next few years.

I haven't seen it, and don't plan to. Christ's life doesn't interest me. So it's not material if it was any good.
But it suuuuuuuure stirred things up a lot.

I think he's planning to release the movie as a mini series for TV. Not sure if it's for HBO or not.
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Ok, one more observation about "The Sand Pebbles": this was Robert Wise's peak as a director, IMHO. He subsequently directed 1976's "Midway", which is a well-meaning but poorly executed film, and the bloated spectacle of "Star Trek: The Motion Picture". It's always sad to me when great musical artists or movie makers publicly display the decline in their abilities.
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Ok, one more observation about "The Sand Pebbles": this was Robert Wise's peak as a director, IMHO. He subsequently directed 1976's "Midway", which is a well-meaning but poorly executed film, and the bloated spectacle of "Star Trek: The Motion Picture". It's always sad to me when great musical artists or movie makers publicly display the decline in their abilities.

Glad you liked the movie [:)]

I think Midway was directed by Jack Smight.

And it's true not every film a director does may appeal to everyone. Those Star Trek movies do have a huge following, though.

Robert Wise did direct a number of great films, in addition to The Sand Pebbles, such as:

The Sound of Music

West Side Story

The Great Escape

Run Silent, Run Deep

Day the Earth Stood Still
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The Blackadder collection is also a must have.

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Sure enough, The 300 Spartans was released on May 11 (today) and is available at A&B Sound. I picked it up for $13.00.

I'll watch it tonight and give you all a run down on what I think of the movie. I saw it many moons ago (it was made in 1962), so I have forgotten anything about the acting, etc.

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The 300 Spartans

I finished watching the movie and here is my assessment:

I should mention at the outset that I have a particular bias for ancient history and wargames. I will watch almost anything that contains Spartan soldiers in battle.

At 1 hour and 54 minutes, more than 1 hour and 10 minutes of the movie is spent actually at Thermopylae and the battles revolving around it, between the 300 Spartans and the thousands of Persians sent against them.

The colours and sound are quite well done. And the Persians and Spartans are suitably attired in authentic uniforms.

The movie follows the actual history quite closely.

Acting:

Performances by Richard Egan (as Leonidas), Ralph Richardson (as Themistocles) and David Farrar (as Xerxes) are well done, and hold up well after all these years (the movie was made in 1962). Richard Egan in particular gives a believable performance as King Leonidas (the Lion). Most supporting actors are pretty good. However, a couple of actors are quite wooden in their acting, and the small subplot involving a love story is just plain silly.

Fortunately, the love story plays a very minor part in the movie.

Memorable Scenes:

1) Opening with Xerxes and his army

2) The Greek Senate

3) Richard Egan making his pleas before his fellow Spartans

4) The actual battle at Thermoplyae

At times, some of the actors rise to the occasion and actually deliver quite grand speeches. Apart from the love story, the entire movie is focused on the preparations for, and the actual battle of, Thermopylae.

At the end of the movie I was left wanting more. This says alot about the movie and the subject matter. There is far too much story to tell, to be able to contain it within a 2 hour movie. Why no other movie about the heroic stand by the Spartans has been made since 1962, is beyond me.

It is clear that 2 hours is not enough for a movie with this type of subject matter. While the actual battle went as I had read about it, I would have liked to have seen more of the Spartan training and way of life; more speeches; more of Leonidas (who he was; how he lived); more interaction between the Spartan soldiers; more battle scenes (fighting, tactics, etc).

This movie made me realize what kind of spectacle could be made today.

I enjoyed the movie, and the sight of Spartan warriors standing side-by-side, fully attired with shields, helmets and cloaks, as they faced the Persian host, was quite memorable. It is a rare sight to see, and it is unknown whether any future movies will ever capture these moments on film again.

Overall, I give the movie 7/10; the actual battle portion of the movie 8/10.

For those who have an interest in ancient history and about the Battle of Thermopylae, this movie is recommended. It is in fact the only movie ever made about the Spartan's famous last stand. And at only $13.00 it is very affordable.

I can only hope that with other ancient movies that have been made (Gladiator; Troy) and others that are currently being made (Alexander the Great), that a new production about the 300 Spartans will be made.

I would recommend the book "Thermopylae" by Ernle Bradford which covers the Greek/Persian Wars in a highly readable manner.

I also note that the novel "Gates of Fire" (about the Spartan stand at Thermopylae) may be made into a movie. Check here for more details:

http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808404115


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Well, well, well. . .

Will wonders never cease. . .

I did a little search, and there are in fact three (yes 3) movies that will be made about the Battle of Thermopylae.

There will be "300", "Gates of Fire" and a REMAKE of "The 300 Spartans" (the script for this last one is being written by the fellow who did Band of Brothers). [&o]

If you like the big ancient epic, please support these efforts [:)]

Let's send a message to Hollywood and film makers: that we want to see more well-made historical films. . .

Check it out here:

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/492/4 ... ?fromint=1

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/362/3 ... ?fromint=1
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I picked up four DVDs today:

1) The full 5 hour version of "Das Boot" was released today - woohoo - I'm looking forward to watching this.

2) 60th Anniversary of "Saving Private Ryan"

3) "Patton" was on sale

4) "Gallipolli" with young Mel Gibson.

I'll be looking forward to watching all these, if I get time between watching all the great war documentaries that are on TV. heheh

It's been a great week so far for quality programming.
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I finished watching the full 5 hour version of Das Boot.

The extra footage is certainly worth it.

The extra two hours is woven nicely within the movie, and fleshes out the action as well as the characters.

If you liked the 3 hour version, then you'll find there is even more to like about the film.

A landmark film, a great war movie, and surely the best submarine film ever made. . .

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My list that I really enjoy:

Band of Brothers ...


Gladiator ...

I have others, but these are ones I go back to when I'm bored. ...

You go back to Gladiator when you're bored? Hmmm ... Well, I'm not a huge fan of the movie, but I love the opening
scenes. I assume you have the one with both Dolby and Digital soundtracks. And I think we've had this discussion
before, but I'm happy with my senility so I ask again, maybe, did you notice anything funny/familiar about one of the
soundtracks during the battle scene in the very beginning? Don't know if it was Ridley Scott's idea of a joke or what.
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The 300 Spartans

I finished watching the movie and here is my assessment:

Good review. I've bought the movie but haven't had time to watch it yet. I'm sort of collecting every war movie ever put on
DVD or something ... Your review is much more optimistic/positive than all the others I've seen. Since it's coming from
a fellow wargamer I imagine it's a lot more reflective of how I'll feel about it (e.g. I think Full Metal Jacket is a brilliant
movie while most critics seem to think it's one of Kubrick's worst movies).
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ORIGINAL: Von RomAre there any "must" buy DVD movies on your list?

Unfortunately I have about 300 must buys which I've bought! [X(]

One of the most recent must buys I bought was the Stanley Kubrick collection (remastered) from DVD Planet.
As a devious soul I use Amazon mainly for its great search capabilities and use DVD Planet for the actual ordering,
since it's always cheaper. Still, I buy way too much stuff from Amazon too.

I don't know how old you are or what your interests are, so I can't really recommend anything. However, if
you are older -- say 35 and up -- and are used to some of the crappy VHS versions of movies, you will be
amazed by most DVD versions of the same. I'm mainly into horror, fantasy, war, and film noir -- all these movies
benefit greatly from DVD format. Now if only I could wrest control of the big TV from my wife!!! Argh.
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The 300 Spartans

I finished watching the movie and here is my assessment:

Good review. I've bought the movie but haven't had time to watch it yet. I'm sort of collecting every war movie ever put on
DVD or something ... Your review is much more optimistic/positive than all the others I've seen. Since it's coming from
a fellow wargamer I imagine it's a lot more reflective of how I'll feel about it (e.g. I think Full Metal Jacket is a brilliant
movie while most critics seem to think it's one of Kubrick's worst movies).

Same here, I am collecting wargames and war movies.

It also seems as though everyone else is too. I visited my local A&B Sound and they were cleaned out of almost every war movie, including a couple dozen copies of Das Boot and the "Winds of War" - heheh

As for my review - I first saw the 300 Spartans when I was 12. I was hooked. I am also a big ancient history fan. So I was going to buy that movie no matter what. Fortunately, most of the movie centers around the battle, and for me, there is enough there worth watching and enjoying [:)]
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